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03-30-2011 03:09 PM#1
OctoMother Superior
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Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
For scholars of faith and history, it is a treasure trove too precious for price.
This ancient collection of 70 tiny books, their lead pages bound with wire, could unlock some of the secrets of the earliest days of Christianity.
Academics are divided as to their authenticity but say that if verified, they could prove as pivotal as the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.

On pages not much bigger than a credit card, are images, symbols and words that appear to refer to the Messiah and, possibly even, to the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book Of Revelation.

The books were discovered five years ago in a cave in a remote part of Jordan to which Christian refugees are known to have fled after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. Important documents from the same period have previously been found there.
Initial metallurgical tests indicate that some of the books could date from the first century AD.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...story.html

Fascinating! I've never seen anything like it...Sealed books eh? damned.gif
03-30-2011 03:16 PM#2
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Holy moly!! What a find!! blink.gif Bet the religious fanatics don't like what they say chuckle.gif
03-30-2011 03:22 PM#3
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
İmage

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Their leaves - which are mostly about the size of a credit card - contain text in Ancient Hebrew, most of which is in code.

Read the article here: http://www.bbc.co.uk

This is an incredible find, in particular given the current state of affairs worldwide. damned.gif

[i]The Seven Seals is a concept of Christian eschatology, which comes from the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible, where a "book" or "scroll" with "seven seals" is described in Revelation 5:1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_seals[/i] 13.gif

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03-30-2011 09:48 PM#4
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Well

think i can say where i've seen this kinda shït before.


I'll give a slight hint as to what these are used for,,, or may have BEEN used for.

1. think of a printing press
2. think of printed dress

Now, think, printed on parchment

Make sense ?
03-30-2011 09:54 PM#5
yankeesskier
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Very cool indeedcheers.gif
03-30-2011 09:59 PM#6
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
If,,, the researchers, get the " Picture" <--------<< ( yeah, that word right there )

They might figure it this way

These are not the "travel with you additions " Little heavy in the back pack don' cha jes know


again, think printing press

Each coded symbol is a picture word

A picture saves a thousand words

interesting symbol,,, that tree of life,,, think family tree as well,,, actually,, think a bunch
03-30-2011 10:01 PM#7
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
(03-30-2011 09:48 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  Well

think i can say where i've seen this kinda shït before.


I'll give a slight hint as to what these are used for,,, or may have BEEN used for.

1. think of a printing press
2. think of printed dress

Now, think, printed on parchment

Make sense ?

Interesting hmm.gif
İmage
03-30-2011 10:10 PM#8
yankeesskier
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
I see a lot of chicken wing symbols in there. beercheer.gif
03-30-2011 10:51 PM#9
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Chicken wing???

heh heh,, and Chicken Feetchuckle.gif

if you click on the link and scroll down to the photo of the cave these are said to have been found in,,

you will get an idea of what the inside of the cavern i found in New Mexico looked like.

The Alcoves carved into the walls of the cave are almost exact as those in the cave i found the treasure in.

Each Alcove in my cavern, held a storehouse of atifacts.

heh heh, those alcoves hold nothing now, just as in this cave,,,
actually,,, the Cavern i was in, is not there either,,, even that was blown in on itself.

BTW, stacked stone walls, some as low as 2 ft high
some as high as 5 ft

are all over the Organ Mountains in New Mexico
they look just like the Ancient stone walls in Israel

Some chicken feet are a "PICTURE WORD " of those stacked stone walls,,, and the walls
themselves, are more like POINTERS and or MARKERS in their use
rather than as Ramparts` Corrals,, or Parapets .
03-30-2011 11:46 PM#10
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Rog', great take on those plates. Oft times the most logical thing can be overlooked.

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03-30-2011 11:56 PM#11
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Actually JR, base relief was common on the artifacts i found and the plates are close to some in the cavern.

i spent " LONGTIME" with the artifacts, bemused by most of them, blown away with all of them, and the plates i found, also had what they were used for present.

No Sherlock me, just that i handled artifacts in situ,
if i had found these plates, without any accompanying artifacts to tell me what they were used for,,
i'd probably have never figured it out on my own.
03-31-2011 12:31 AM#12
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
It just seems odd to me why go through such work to bind them together like that with metal rings...it seems to render them useless for printing.

Like this one:
İmage

12 holes all around a pile of printing plates bound together with thick metal wire. Seems like a lot of work to keep them plates together hmm.gif
03-31-2011 04:27 AM#13
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
heh heh
Hi Octo
the wire is not a wire

Misnamed by the author of the article

note the stays, for that is what they are, can be uncoiled without cracking or breaking
as iron wire would

These "wires" are not a ferrous metal such as steel or Iron
these are a non ferrous metal such as lead galena.


Purpose of these coil stays, is to uncoil them, straight, leave a few in the holes

place papyrus on the surface of the bottom plate
slide top press plate over the wire coil stays to aligng it and press down

then recoil the stays loop to hold it tight.

if a person is using an animal skin, and you want an impression in the skin

this is how you do it, then leave it for a day or two and the skin is impressed with the symbols

yet, no one can see the impression clearly until charcoal ash is sprinkled over the impression

and then blown off.

These skins with the symbols could be carried co-vertly to communicate with other
acolytes in other parts of the occupied territories
and if the messenger was searched,,,
the skins reveal nothing incriminating to a Centurion.

If, it is noticed by a snoop, the coded symbols can be explained as nothing more then decorative designs to enhance the worth of the Garment of wall hanger.

Dye's and other elements were also used to reveal the symbols as well.
03-31-2011 04:37 AM#14
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Sorry
i forgot to state, if the rings were ferrous, as iron is
these would have rusted away long long ago.

also, note the rings that have been uncoiled
note there are no cracks in the coils,,,

ferrous, rust, and would have cracked

non ferrous such as was used here, like lead, can be coiled and undone many times
before it will crack, and if it does crack, reheat it a bit, and it will reseal the crack if manipulated
correctly.
03-31-2011 09:50 AM#15
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Maybe so hmm.gif But I think the holes for the coils would have been the most prominent feature of the print as the pattern extends to the outside of those holes...Must have been for decorating sacred undergarment or something equally special
03-31-2011 06:30 PM#16
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
rofl.gif i'd better stop now,,
the joke is getting too long

Octo, i was making it uphug.gif
heh heh

On and on i could go, fiction is fun,,,, but sometimes,, people take me far too seriously
and run off and make movies out of what i write as satire or fiction.gaah.gif

At the best, these plates may be just another FAKE,,,
ğkkin' Mormons,,, they're everywhere.

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Rog' funny guy,,, Rog' make fun,,,
Rog' make fun longtime,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BUT NOT TOOO LOOOOONGtime.gif
03-31-2011 07:30 PM#17
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
chuckle.gif well I wouldn't have questioned your logic if I thought you were right. hug.gif
03-31-2011 07:41 PM#18
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
rofl.gif Oh well Rog', even if it was a spoof, they do seem as if they could have been used in some type of printing press, and it's actually quite a logical conclusion.

Like I said, maybe even obvious.

Your joke was still better than suggesting that these are the seals from the book of Revelation. 37.gif

That is irresponsible horse hockey on the part of the media, don't think the "I cant think for myself" Christians are not sheep tweaked in the skull bad enough about the APPARENT apocalypse with no rapture, no Antichrist and no returning Jesus in a cloud of glory.

Whatever the ğck glory is blink.gif I've heard of glory holes, perhaps they may be related.

I'm sure some cult members have their sacred undergarments in a veritable wad over this Japan disaster, but they will drag something out of the Burrows Cave that will be like 'See, told you so' drinking.gif

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03-31-2011 07:46 PM#19
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
heh heh
i recall someone once posted a photo of a dead Ibex in a cave and the caption stated that the cave was in france and loaded with artifacts.

The Ibex had been crushed to death by a rockfall....


heh heh,,, Funny, Ibex are a large Antelope type animal,,, found in Africa and, some were imported to White Sands New Mexico by a Rancher who like to Hunt them.

The Ibex, is NOT found in France.

Man,,,
the OP of that thread was spinning some Yarn.
I jumped in and Spun that story around the OP's Head.

The OP, took all the info i wrote,,, went out into the desert and started looking for big rocks everywhere that may have a shape or carving on them,,, trying to find and follow trail markers
that were not even there,,,

he sent me over 2 dozen photo's of rocks he thought would be trail markers.

ğck ME!!!!

Though the Guy was a CON-MAN and deserved to be led astray,,,

he got too serious in the quest,,,, and i had to stop him with telling him i was making it all up.

I did not receive a NICE email back from him.

heh heh,,,
But, people were plagiarizing my post on the Net,,, AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM!

He would charge people $5 to enter his webpage,,, QUOTE: to get the REAL secrets
of Treasure Hunting. almost everything in his webpage was post of mine from a Forum.

He lives up near Shadow somewhere.

heh heh,, the fucker.
03-31-2011 07:57 PM#20
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
He deserves a İmage facepalm

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03-31-2011 08:36 PM#21
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Funnier, was the poster that used : FBI,,, as his handle,, remember that from the atspace web?

I ƒükkêd with that moron hard.

here is a funny situation going on currently here in Portland
There is this HUGE Over the Scales Obese Female Barrista at a Starbucks
Cops here, get her to repeat everything i say to her

Like ,,, if i say,,, Michelle, you know what really infuriates me,,,
asswipes that walk up to me out there on the sidewalk and ask me for a Cig'.

She relayed that to these local grunts'''

a couple days later,,, i was sitting there at the table at starbucks,,, across the street,
i saw a cop in civies, with a mug for a companion,,,
i knew what was coming, so i prepared for it,,,
they cross the street and as they get within a few feet f me, the cop points from the hip at me and states: that's him.

They were walking side by side, the plain cloths keeps walking

his snitch bunny stops and in hostile tone,, Hey man, give me a Cig'

I ignore him and turn my head
he ask,, is that your smoke in the ashtray? cause i'm gonna jack it.

again , i ignore him, he takes the Cig Butt ( which was not mine) and ask for a light,,,

heh heh,,, again i ignore him,,,
he walks over to a lady at the next table and states : Do you have a light,,
she hands him a lighter,,,

he states,,, Thank you, your not like that asshole over there.

I get up and go inside Starbucks and grin at Michelle who was staring at the scene like we were her favorite daytime TV drama and she had helped create it.

The little fucker trotted away to report to the Cop who brought him down to Harrass me,,,
that it did not work.

This, is one of many attempted entrapment's that go on every other day.

The Jaba the Hut offspring Barrista,,, Michelle, has no clue that i have been on to her
helping the cops harass me for months.

HA!
You gotta wonder,,, what MORON, would allow themselves to be used as a tool for corrupt cop activity,,,
I mean,,, what the ƒück kinda of Charge do they get out of that shït?

Must live some bored ass life. I think it gives them mental Orgasims to think they are getting to ğck with a person,,, and they can get away with it.

What is really a sick thought.. this TOO FAT TO ğck LESBO DIKE,,, heh heh
really gets off on harassing MEN.

Oh well, sickness is all over the Map,,,
whatever shall we do?lol.gif

Point is though,,, the plates of this thread, though possibly real,,,,
most likely Fake,,,
The small DRAMA in the story
the 5 years since discovery before they let out the news.
the drama of a guy hoarding them

i mean,,, GET THE ğck REAL,,, WOULD YOU WORLD,,,
03-31-2011 08:53 PM#22
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Sounds like here, there are no real crimes.

The police wont mess with the speed freaks or the gypsies.

The speed freaks have guns and the cops leave them alone because they are ğkking chickenshit.

Ditto for half the Rama here, and the other half are permitted to sell poisons like soap bar hash to kids.

The chickenshits let the dealers slide, and instead harass the stupid ass pimple faced moron kid that bought that piece of rubber tire and attempted to smoke it.

These poor kids wouldn't know what decent hash even looks or smells like, most have never been out of town, let alone Amsterdam, Spain or the States back in the late 70's and early 80's, and are probably going to die of lung cancer by age 30.

It's amazing what passes for law enforcement these days. 37.gif

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04-03-2011 07:30 PM#23
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Quote:İmage

İmage

The image is eerily familiar: a bearded young man with flowing curly hair. After lying for nearly 2,000 years hidden in a cave in the Holy Land, the fine detail is difficult to determine. But in a certain light it is not difficult to interpret the marks around the figure’s brow as a crown of thorns.

The extraordinary picture of one of the recently discovered hoard of up to 70 lead codices – booklets – found in a cave in the hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee is one reason Bible historians are clamouring to get their hands on the ancient artefacts.
If genuine, this could be the first-ever portrait of Jesus Christ, possibly even created in the lifetime of those who knew him.


Astonishingly, one of the booklets appears to bear the words ‘Saviour of Israel’ – one of the few phrases so far translated.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1ITi66UZS

damned.gif This is quite surprising. If not forged I may have to rethink a few things. mormons.gif rofl.gif

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04-03-2011 07:41 PM#24
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
The tiny booklet, a little smaller than a modern credit card, is sealed on all sides and has a three-dimensional representation of a human head on both the front and the back. One appears to have a beard and the other is without. Even the maker’s fingerprint can be seen in the lead impression. Beneath both figures is a line of as-yet undeciphered text in an ancient Hebrew script.

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04-03-2011 08:13 PM#25
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
On C2C last night was some Geek who had went there and studied these,,,

Boy, what a Rap that sucker had.

Funny to me, is the thought : Living in a Cave in the Desert,,, sure leaves a lot of time
on your hands.

Like a Monk, one must either sit and think, stand and think,,,

or,,,,,,,

Grab material and start to scribble on it.

can you imagine the Liver on this person?
Handling LEAD,,, ?

that much LEAD and for that long.

No Savior gonna save that Liver from lead poisoning.

Fanatics always bemused my ass.

Fuckers will Burn Women at the stake,,,, go into their little Church,,,

and pray for their own souls to be saved.

and come out,,,, looking for another Victim to Roast.

As nuts as a Snickers
and yet,,,
believe they are the only SANE bastards to have ever squat and shït a fudge biscuit.

UNSEAL THE BOOKS,,, AND THE WORLD ENDS!!!!!panic.gifpanic.gifpanic.gifpanic.gifpanic.gifpanic.gif


WAIT,,,, DO NOT OPEN THEM UNTIL 12-21-2012,,, that way,,
heh heh,,
even the Mayans will have it right.

ğkkin' people man.

here is some old lead plates,,, and NOW,,,, these fuckers will be PREACHING this shït
and the Faithful will be blabbering away again,,,

ğck ,,, just about had them shut the ğck up.
Now,,,, here comes some more ammo for them to PREACH shït again.
04-03-2011 08:27 PM#26
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Quote:ğck ,,, just about had them shut the ğck up.
Now,,,, here comes some more ammo for them to PREACH shït again.
37.gif Yup, the war of control and distraction never ends. People began to focus on real problems, the way the banks were ğkking us, nuclear disaster, what the hell is the west doing in Libya and ...

OH LOOK SOMETHING SHINY WE FOUND IN A CAVE RIGHT ON QUE FOR THE APOCALYPSE, ASK YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT LIPITOR ®

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04-03-2011 08:52 PM#27
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
chuckle.gif you're probably right JR. They found these things years ago and not before now whip them out 13.gif
04-03-2011 10:31 PM#28
OctoMother Superior
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Quote:They are the British couple at the centre of the gripping revelation that has exhilarated Biblical scholars and historians alike: the discovery of 70 ancient lead and copper sealed books, bound with wire, whose pages could be contemporary accounts of the final years of Jesus' life.

David Elkington, 49, a religious author, and his wife Jennifer revealed that the codices had been found in a remote cave in eastern Jordan - a region to which it's believed early Christians fled after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.
''We are now working with the Jordanian authorities to repatriate the artefacts,'' they announced four days ago. And then the couple promptly disappeared.
A tirade of vicious death threats, they claimed, had left them fearful for their safety and they retreated to a remote rent farmhouse in Gloucestershire where, last week, The Sunday Telegraph tracked them down.
....

But though he insists his only motive is to protect the 2,000-year-old texts, Mr Elkington does have one other rather timely and co-incidental involvement with the treasure trove that has so excited academics: on Monday April 11 his agent, Johnathan Lloyd from Curtis Brown, will be trying to find a publisher for a book the couple have written on the codices, and their action packed efforts to protect them, at the prestigious London Book Fair. The Elkingtons' insist Mr Lloyd has been ''holding off'' selling their manuscript until they had made their news announcement of the discovery, ''not the other way round.''
According to Mrs Elkington: ''We made the news announcement now, as there was a very real threat that Hassan Saeda and his cohorts would sell the codices on the black market very soon. The fact that London Book Fair happens to be in a few weeks time is pure co-incidence. Convenient, albeit not necessary, to sell the book. We have never been motivated by commercial means, although acknowledge that, like everyone else, we have to make a living and we have a story to tell that hopefully the public will appreciate.''
Whether the artifacts prove to be authentic is anyone's guess at the moment. That the Elkingtons' have ''a story to tell'' is most certainly true. And one that Indiana Jones fans will definitely appreciate. Should it come to a cinema near you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion...-life.html


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04-03-2011 10:33 PM#29
Anonymous KritterIncognitoAnonymous
 
RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
>>>We have never been motivated by commercial means<<<

sums up what they are about.
04-04-2011 01:09 AM#30
CynicalabsurdanceMember
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RE: Seventy ancient metal books found in cave in Jordan
Quote Octo: " Book Pimp "

cheers.gif Book Pimp it is.

and who the ğck gets the Movie rights?
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