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03-21-2011 05:56 PM#271
OctoMother Superior
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RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
Unreal! damned.gif There is no carpet to sweep this under for very long...Jeez!!! sad2.gif
03-21-2011 06:09 PM#272
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
No, it seems they're getting desperate, pulling out all stops to keep this under out of control for a few days.
03-21-2011 06:33 PM#273
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
Japan Reactor Containment Intact, Crisis ‘Stabilizing,’ NRC Says

Radiation containment domes at Japan’s Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear reactors are intact and the situation at the plant “is on the verge of stabilizing,” a U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission official said.

“Containment at units 1, 2 and 3 appear to be functional,” Bill Borchardt, executive director for operations at the agency, said today during a meeting at the agency’s headquarters in Rockville, Maryland.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03...-says.html




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03-21-2011 09:14 PM#274
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
If you're going to have nuclear reactors, they need to be Thorium reactors.





Despite this crisis, nuclear plants are expected to grow. Why not put research into what can be achieved with Thorium reactors today. Video above ,explains it why they are preferable to what is being used & built today.
03-21-2011 10:09 PM#275
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
cheers.gif Hey P! Been following this for years, thorium SHOULD be the wave of the future, uranium has no business in anything, including bombs.

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03-22-2011 12:18 AM#276
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 11! Grey smoke rising from reactor 3. Workers evacuated
Thermal Images From Fukushima Indicate Blistering 128 Degrees Celsius Zone In Reactor #3′

First, from NHK:


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Next, a picture from Die Welt, emphasizing Reactor 3 and confirming that previous lies that all temperatures at Reactors 1 through 4, were under 100 degrees Celsius, were nothing but. Note the area indicating 128 oC Celsius. We would assume that is the reactor core area (which refutes the lie). If, instead, that is the spent fuel rod area, then we have some very big problems, even if TEPCO is telling the truth for once.

İmage
03-22-2011 02:39 AM#277
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 12! Releases of radioactivity “are now significant and continuing"
Jesus!! damned.gif aaah2.gif

I'm not here to add any good tidings myself

LOCAL contamination from Japan's quake-damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant would be a problem that would last "for decades and decades'', France's Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN) said.

Releases of radioactivity from the plant “are now significant and continuing'', the head of the agency, Andre-Claude Lacoste, told a press conference.

“We have to assume that Japan will have a long-term issue of managing the impacts,'' he said.

“It's a problem that Japan will have to deal with for decades and decades to come.''

The releases stemmmed in part from deliberate venting of steam and gas, which also contained radioactive particles, to ease pressure in overheating reactor vessels, he said.

Another source was “leaks'' of as-yet unknown origin, he said.

“Ground deposits of radioactive particles (around the plant) are significant,'' Jean-Luc Godet, in charge of ionising radiation management at the ASN, said.


“The Japanese authorities have not drawn up, or communicated, a map of these deposits, and it is not vain thinking to believe that this (contaminated) zone extends beyond 20 kilometres,'' he said, referring to the zone within which local inhabitants have been evacuated.

“Given the weather, it is likely that contaminations have occurred beyond that, up to 100 kilometres or so.''

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special...6025746415#
03-22-2011 02:52 AM#278
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 12! Releases of radioactivity “are now significant and continuing"
P, those thermal images are a great find, and indicates this is far from under control. The last couple of days the media has been playing the "Oh lookie, there's a war" card and downplaying a nuclear nightmare which they used to divert public attention while they invaded.

Now, this latest update...Releases of radioactivity from the plant “are now significant and continuing'' is getting uncomfortably close to a real game changer. If this gets in the water and food, things will never be the same. sad2.gif

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03-22-2011 07:21 PM#279
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 12! Releases of radioactivity “are now significant and continuing"
Quote:We'll just say that obviously we have no idea whether this is true or not. But even if it is true, we're not sure that it's really that horrible...

Swedish newspaper Expressen reports that TEPCO is hiring the homeless to work in the Fukushima death zone.

This is from the Google Translate version of this article (via @Makro_Trader)

The people who work day and night in the Fukushima nuclear power plant to prevent a catastrophe from happening has been hailed as the nation's heroes,

But there is a much darker picture of the fight, according to the välansedde German foreign correspondent Robert Hetkämper.

He claims there is evidence that Tepco exploiting society's most vulnerable individuals and that there are people who can not get any other job that is now sent into the radiation fields.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tepco-hir...ima-2011-3
03-22-2011 09:15 PM#280
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 12! Releases of radioactivity “are now significant and continuing"
Radioactive particles believed to be from Japan detected in Iceland
LONDON, March 22, Kyodo

Miniscule numbers of radioactive particles believed to have come from the quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in northeastern Japan have been detected in the Icelandic capital of Reykjavik by Tuesday, the Reuters news service said.

Citing multiple diplomatic sources, the report said that radiation from the particles is not at a level that would negatively affect human health. It is the first time radioactive materials believed to be released by accidents at the nuclear power plant have been observed in Europe.

The radioactive materials were detected at a facility related to the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, a Vienna-based U.N. body for monitoring nuclear tests, it said.

''It's only a matter of days before it disperses in the entire northern hemisphere,'' Andreas Stohl, a senior scientist at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research, was quoted as saying. Stohl said there would be no concern about human health over Europe, according to Reuters.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80291.html
03-22-2011 09:24 PM#281
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
So it got to Iceland and somehow bypassed the US entirely. gaah.gif Funny how Obama left on short notice to spend a bit of time in South America. vic.gif

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03-22-2011 09:50 PM#282
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
NEWS ADVISORY: Radioactive materials beyond legal limits found in Fukushima broccoli
03:04 23 March
NEWS ADVISORY: Radioactive materials beyond legal limits found in raw milk in Ibaraki
02:45 23 March
Radioactive particles believed to be from Japan detected in Iceland

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

This is not going well damned.gif
03-22-2011 09:57 PM#283
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Radiation levels in some areas within a 20-kilometer (12-mile) zone around Japan's troubled Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant is 1,600 higher than the norm, the Kyodo news agency said, quoting International Atomic Energy Agency officials.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110322/163138036.html
03-22-2011 10:34 PM#284
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
High radiation detected 40km from nuclear plant
Japan's science ministry says radiation exceeding 400 times the normal level was detected in soil about 40 kilometers from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

The ministry surveyed radioactive substances in soil about 5 centimeters below the surface at roadsides on Monday.

The ministry found 43,000 becquerels of radioactive iodine-131 per kilogram of soil, and 4,700 becquerels of radioactive cesium-137 per kilogram about 40 kilometers west-northwest of the plant.


Gunma University Professor Keigo Endo says radiation released by the iodine is 430 times the level normally detected in soil in Japan and that released by the cesium is 47 times the norm.

Endo says the data means that a person staying at the location for one year would be exposed to 4 times the amount of radiation allowed by national standards. The professor says there is no immediate health risk, but that radioactive cesium can accumulate in soil and that radiation levels must continue to be monitored.

The science ministry says there is no environmental standard for radioactive substances in soil, and that it sees no problem at this time.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 19:59 +0900 (JST)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/22_35.html
03-22-2011 10:38 PM#285
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Quote:The science ministry says there is no environmental standard for radioactive substances in soil, and that it sees no problem at this time.
No problems eh? Right. This has gone so well for them too.

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03-23-2011 12:34 AM#286
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/MC23Dh02.html

It's a hard rain that's going to fall

Quote:Twenty years after Chernobyl, in 2006, Swedish National Television (SVT) did a news piece titled "Chernobyl still affects Gavle every day" (Tjernobyl paverkar annu Gavle-vardagen). Among other items, it discusses how wild game is checked for radiation, and how residents now often travel to pick the wild berries or mushrooms that they once collected locally.

The effects of radiation proved lasting, and recent news reports revealed radiation has entered Japan's food chain.

In an article titled "Progress at Japan Reactors; New Signs of Food Radiation", the March 20 New York Times noted: "Spinach from a farm in Hitachi, about 45 miles [72 kilometers] from the plant [Fukushima], contained 27 times the amount of iodine that is generally considered safe, while cesium levels were about four times higher than is deemed safe by Japan. Meanwhile, raw milk from a dairy farm in Litate, about 18 miles from the plant, contained iodine levels that were 17 times higher than those considered safe."

Highlighting what many perceive as a substantive part of the ongoing problem, The Times quoted Japan's deputy chief cabinet secretary, Tetsuro Fukuyama, as observing that he would let his own children "eat the spinach" from Fukushima. The IAEA has stated that only "up to four thousand" fatal cancers will result from Chernobyl.

In contrast to the IAEA's fatality figures, a 2006 Greenpeace report forecast 100,000 cancer fatalities, and a 2010 book by leading Eastern European scientists utilizing original "Slavic language" documents ("Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment"), claims a death toll of 985,000.

While some uncertainties exist, there are hard facts.

Gavle is about 1,600 kilometers from Chernobyl, and the amount of nuclear fuel present at Chernobyl during the 1986 accident is reported as about 180 tons, none of which contained plutonium, an element considerably more toxic than the uranium used in standard reactor fuel. Estimates of the amount of nuclear fuel present at the Fukushima reactors are roughly in the 2000 ton range, dwarfing Chernobyl, and one of the six reactors (number 3) does use a mixture of plutonium and uranium, "mox".

If nothing else, it would appear nuclear power is not the "clean, safe, inexpensive and reliable" energy source some claim. As to what nuclear power is, Fukushima could well prove its defining moment.
03-23-2011 01:42 AM#287
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
yup...still elevated CS-137 levels in shrooms a bit further south from here as well sad2.gif
03-23-2011 10:07 AM#288
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Radioactive iodine exceeding limit for infants found in Tokyo tap water
TOKYO, March 23, Kyodo

The Tokyo metropolitan government warned Wednesday that infants should not drink tap water as radioactive iodine exceeding the limit for them were detected in water at a purification plant.

According to the metropolitan government, 210 becquerels of radioactive iodine were detected per 1 kilogram of water against the limit of 100 becquerels.

The detection follows the devastating earthquake earlier this month that crippled Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

==Kyodo

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80399.html

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03-23-2011 02:07 PM#289
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Quote:Fukushima Engineer Says He Helped Cover Up Flaw at Dai-Ichi Reactor No. 4

One of the reactors in the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant may have been relying on flawed steel to hold the radiation in its core, according to an engineer who helped build its containment vessel four decades ago.

The reactor, which Tanaka has called a “time bomb,” was shut for maintenance when the March 11 earthquake triggered a 7-meter (23-foot) tsunami that disabled cooling systems at the plant, leading to explosions and radiation leaks.

“Who knows what would have happened if that reactor had been running?” Tanaka, who turned his back on the nuclear industry after the Chernobyl disaster, said in an interview last week. “I have no idea if it could withstand an earthquake like this. It’s got a faulty reactor inside.”
bloomberg.com

13.gif Sounds as if this was thrown together in the same haphazard cut costs way that bp was using. Thank god it was shut down during the quake.

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03-23-2011 02:30 PM#290
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Radioactive particles to hit Europe today, German expert says

Air currents are expected to bring radioactive particles from Japan to Central Europe on Wednesday, though radiation levels will be negligible, the Federal Office for Radiation Protection (BfS) said Wednesday.

In recent days experts have measured the spread of radioactivity from the nuclear crisis at Fukushima first in California, then in Iceland, head of the BfS gauging station near Freiburg, Erich Wirth, told broadcaster MDR INFO.

“And from there it’s no longer far off from Central Europe,” he said.

Still, the radioactivity will be “very, very low,” he added.

“Practically the contamination won’t rise,” he told the station.

So far levels have not risen in Germany, the expert said, adding that the great distance between the country and Japan would likely mean only a slight increase in radioactivity.

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110323-33897.html
03-23-2011 02:31 PM#291
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
As was reported only on Zero Hedge so far, the termal imagery from Fukushima indicates that if reactor one is a "worry", then reactor 3 should be a "nightmare", as according to some it is now "operating" north of 500 degrees celsius, and possibly as high as a 1,000. That's three times what it is designed to withstand.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fukushi...emporature

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03-23-2011 02:48 PM#292
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
hug.gif Hey Shadow! Have you seen the pics of the control room on reactor 3?
İmage
Now heres reactor 3 from the outside
İmage
Does it seem a bit odd they are in there with no radiation suits and all is well, yet reactor 3 is clearly a pile of rubble?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...AGAIN.html

We are being told lies.

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03-23-2011 03:08 PM#293
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
hug.gif Hej JR
They'll lie as much as they can get away with and then some. Crazy thing is so many people won't accept that they're being lied to, staunchly believe what the tv tells them. I asked my sister on the coast to get KI and she flatly refused. I said 'they're 10 buck go buy some' she said 'I don't have time and besides, they said it isn't a worry' what can you do? dunno.gif
03-23-2011 03:12 PM#294
Accidental StonerMember
Posts: 8,048Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
So what is STUK doing?

Why can't I find any Finnish online radiation mapping?


Oh well, ğck all.
Babylon burning, maybe I'll just have to burn with it. bleh.gif
03-23-2011 03:23 PM#295
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
It just doesn't pay to give advice to closed minds Shadow, they think they know it all because they are totally dependent on the msm to tell them what to think.
The other side of the coin is msm has been sending out conflicting messages, but if you only get your brainwashing from a single source all would seem to be well.

dunno.gif AS, links not working 'eh? First thing that happens in a real emergency, but they don't want people to panic.

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03-23-2011 03:32 PM#296
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Just Wash The Radioactive Dust Off Contaminated Food
@1:35 in

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/vi...o_id=14372

Wash it off with contaminated water rofl.gif while you're at it, wash off the milk and the water before you drink it gaah.gifgaah.gif
03-23-2011 03:35 PM#297
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!


03-23-2011 03:35 PM#298
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
Yes, just rinse the milk and then it's safe and... gaah.gif wtf2.gif

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03-23-2011 03:37 PM#299
Accidental StonerMember
Posts: 8,048Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
(03-23-2011 03:23 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  dunno.gif AS, links not working 'eh? First thing that happens in a real emergency, but they don't want people to panic.

You got links for online, real time radiation levels in Finland?
Please point me there...

I can't find one...a bit strange if STUK offers no such service..?
03-23-2011 03:38 PM#300
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 13! Radioactive particles detected in Iceland!
(03-23-2011 03:23 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It just doesn't pay to give advice to closed minds Shadow, they think they know it all because they are totally dependent on the msm to tell them what to think.
The other side of the coin is msm has been sending out conflicting messages, but if you only get your brainwashing from a single source all would seem to be well.

Yeah I know, what dismayed me about that is my sister is one of the very few people I know who actually tries to keep an open mind. More than anyone I know actually, but on this, she's decided to snap her mind shut. gaah.gif chuckle.gif
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