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03-26-2011 02:43 PM#361
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
GoogleEarth Based 3D Map Of Real-Time Radioactivity Distribution In Japan; Projected Global Radioactivity Dispersion

http://community.pachube.com/node/611#3d
03-26-2011 03:31 PM#362
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Quote:Getting really bad now, in Japan, world shipping companies won't dock or deliver goods, their own food and water is contaminated, the news from Fukushima just gets worse and worse

Supply chain issues going on now too, most countries have halted imports from Japan. How many electronics and parts does Japan manufacture? How many countries, businesses rely on those parts? If they don't get those reactors under control...damned.gif
03-26-2011 05:11 PM#363
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Right now, there is a very big chance Japan is down for the count on a permanent basis. There is widespread contamination of virtually everything, we are not getting told the half of it. The way this is headed a Godzilla scenario is not even out of the question. blink.gif
The ramifications of this may not be fully realized for weeks or months.
Running out of drinkable water and uncontaminated food is a nightmare, this is not going to work out well for anyone on the planet, least of all the Japanese.

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03-26-2011 05:32 PM#364
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Japan makes massive B.C. bottled water order

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...japan.html

I'm concerned...to put it mildly. That's 127 million people on one wee little island. 1.4 million bottles of water for Tokyo only will provide 1 in 10 with 1.5 litres of water. That's near nothing. Hong Kong ran out of room last week. Jeez I'd take in a family if they could get here.
03-26-2011 05:34 PM#365
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
I find it suspicious too, that it's only infants in danger from tap water. If they told the probable truth they'd have real problems on their hands.
03-26-2011 05:40 PM#366
Anonymous KritterIncognitoAnonymous
 
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Plenty of real problems as it is and just getting worse. When it comes to radiation, what you don't know will kill you.
03-26-2011 07:16 PM#367
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
İmage
03-26-2011 07:44 PM#368
CynicalabsurdanceMember
Posts: 7,118Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
With John Popper sitting on a Bar Stool, his back to the open window

Les Dudek on Guitar
John Molo on drums

Bass player, slow ,,, easy

boomp boomp,, ba-boomp

" Well, takin in the morning wind
with shell shock on my smile"

running up and down again
Every once, or second in a while

Yellow Rain comin' in
clean air goin' out of style

we look, we see, we ignore the best
just to enjoy finite pleasure's while,,,

The Cloud we create, we now test
and find it's deadly vile

Scream as you might
your truth you cannot deny

streamin' the night
cloud of debry
and you fear to die

Tear's of fears,, run wild in your eye's
Once proud to be

now, scared to drink the water you spoiled
or,,
eat from the meat of Sea

Panic not my dear friend
where there is a beginning
there must be an end

This time has run out of space
no where may you hide

Admit, your guilt, show your face
accept your self induced ride.

Another day on planet Earth
not the same,,,
as the day before

No, this day, is the day
that caused the next day
to be no more.

time is a slow burning candle
lest you cause it to burn faster

Your not bad as a slave
but you make a lousy master

Cradle to grave
you've created a HELL of disaster

Time goes up
and times comes right back down

This time, you ğck up
no turning time around.

Rog'
03-26-2011 10:24 PM#369
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Right you are Rog', no turning back the hands of the clock. If they were not so greedy thorium could have been used and none of this would be as it is.
Why does the whole planet have to pay for the greed of the few?

Shadow, that latest radiation map is frightening. damned.gif

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03-26-2011 11:02 PM#370
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Quote:Shadow - I'd take in a family if they could get here.

That really kind and sweet of you to consider that.hug.gif

But I'm sure we all hope it doesn't come to Japan: Refugee Nation.

It's happen to Japan before they are anything but resilient as a people, regardless of whatever their government tells them about the 'situation and its fall out'

I believe they've gone through worse as a nation. Evidence below





At least Crazy McNamara, had the balls to say that he and his cohorts acted as War Criminals, with the Bombing of Japan. More than can be said for others.

JR - Thorium reactors are the way to. Along with other cleaner technology's that have been kept hidden from the public.
03-27-2011 12:41 AM#371
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
(03-26-2011 11:02 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  That really kind and sweet of you to consider that.hug.gif

But I'm sure we all hope it doesn't come to Japan: Refugee Nation.

hug.gif I would in a heartbeat.
But I do think it will come to that, looks like one reactor has hit a water table
http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110326D26JF116.htm
03-27-2011 12:51 AM#372
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Quote:From Shadows link e.nikkei.com:

'Japan's top government spokesman Yukio Edano criticized the TEPCO's handling of the data, saying unless it reports necessary information to authorities in a timely manner, ''the government will not be able to give appropriate instructions and (TEPCO) will make workers, and eventually the public, distrustful'' of the firm.'

wtf2.gif No No Not the public! aaah2.gif

Who exactly does Yukio Edano think his audience are, hamsters? bored.gif

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03-27-2011 12:58 AM#373
CynicalabsurdanceMember
Posts: 7,118Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Yes JR
no turning back now,

my verse above : "accept your self induced ride"

SELF! that is where the BLAME belongs in every aspect of life.

ƒükking humans, they shït in their sheets,,, then bitch about having to sleep in it.

i can feel sorry only for those who were totally ignorant of facts

NOT however, for those who were aware, and ignored those facts or refused to investigate
FACT.

Stanton Friedman and myself used to communicate in emails once in a while

He sent me a question on how these Nordic Aliens viewed Earthlings.

I wrote back what i was given as perspective, and that was::

""""Earthlings since the beginning, have been engaged in perpetual tribal warfare.

Today, the tribes are called Nations or countries,,, and the tribes being bigger, the wars are bigger,,,, the weapons are bigger,,, the mess is made bigger""""

Bemused me to hear Stan in an interview repeat that statement "Tribal warfare" in his rendition of how we are viewed by the Travelers.

As example,,, imagine you are "OUT THERE" watching us here.

I can see it now as clear as i could when a child on a Ride with them,,,

Our destructive greedy nature,,, WHEW!!!!
Then,,,
POOF, a ğck up and death,,,

That's when you say: " shït! The results, are always what "THEY",,, deserve.
they do it to themselves.
no one else,,,

In other communications with other well known Authors, they would write back with:::

Man Rog', you have caused me to think in a way i never thought before, and to see from a whole separate perspective then i have,, Viewing us, as though i was not one of us, and seeing what we do and how we think and our motives for our deeds,,,"

You see JR,,, in the perspective of the JOCK STRAP MILITARY MIND,,, it is all self righteous
pompous ignorance,,,
Sad,,,,
that we give so much money which equals out to be power,, to such consciousness.

Above, that song i wrote, it is about accepting GUILT for what one has done to themselves
and others,,, and part of the list, in others,,, is the earth and all other living beings on it.

Those in Japan, who loved their distractions,,, walk everyday, with knowledge of this
being a possibility,,,,

Nothing in their mind created a motive to attempt to STOP the possibility.

Their own blood on their own hands.

A satire, whether i write it as Verse, or just direct condemnation,,,

is at least a VOICE against the possibilities of this disaster,,, not much, but more then most i have seen coming out of where ground zero is.

Japan, as an Island, as a populated vulnerable site on the ring of fire,,, can now rethink what they THINK about putting such danger in their own pants.

No excuses, they knew, they knew their Geological Vulnerabilities,,,, THEY KNEW,,,
and their distractions mattered more to them.
03-27-2011 01:39 AM#374
CynicalabsurdanceMember
Posts: 7,118Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
and as i write now, and am on that SELF GUILT of Earthlings

May as well state as well this tidbit of shït.

U.S. Warplanes JUMPED, steadfast and instantly to attack Libya with warplanes

the excuse?

To stop a dictator from killing his own people,,, Libyans

The Warplanes of the U.S. went in,,,, and,,, KILLED more Libyans in one night then
the Libyan Army did in it's attempt to stop an armed rebellion.

WE,,, U.S. citizens,,, WE,,, we KNOW what the real reasons are for this shït.

Do we do anything to OBJECT to it?

ğck NO!

Military Jock Strap brains act as though "THEY " think,,, Hey, Quadaffi has no right to defend his
country and it's Governing body from C.I.A. and Mossaad instigated rebellion,,
by killing armed rebels,,,,
That right belongs to US, the Pentagon and Coalition forces,,,
ONLY "WE",,, THE U.S. MILITARY HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL LIBYANS GODDAMN IT!!!

"WE" the U.S. citizens,,, distract ourselves with our tech toys and care nothing.

If, repercussions come here,,, "WE" will BITCH like stuck goats as we did on 9-11-2001

ğck US!

WE, just as anytime or anywhere in history before now,,, WE, deserve what WE do to US.

I doubt the Rice Patties of Viet Nam,,, knew what a Communist was,,,
and,,,
never saw one grain that cared about U.S. style democracy either.

ğkking lies, for profit at the death of millions?

That is taking Tribal Warfare to the point of Cult death machine.

CULT, defined, is a mental state , shared amongst a group, that holds a mental state that is against the laws of ,,,,,,

anyone else?
anyone care to finish the definition for me?
03-27-2011 02:04 AM#375
yankeesskier
Posts: 6,198Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
This is very bad. Very Bad. gaah.gif
03-27-2011 03:44 AM#376
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
(03-27-2011 01:39 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  CULT, defined, is a mental state , shared amongst a group, that holds a mental state that is against the laws of ,,,,,,

anyone else?
anyone care to finish the definition for me?

Reason? That the word you're looking for CA? Had a chat with my sister this morning, the older one that doesn't need meds rofl.gif at least i thought.i said get some potassium Iodide and take one every day, she said no. Then she talked to a pharmacist friend of hers who said you can actually destroy your thyroid taking it and does no good unless there's radiation in the atmosphere. I tried to explain to her a regular maintenance dose is 1-2 capsules/day and it does no good at all to take after you've been exposed but she is adamant she is not taking it. dunno.gif You said:

" i can feel sorry only for those who were totally ignorant of facts"

and I can so empathize.
03-27-2011 03:54 AM#377
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Level of iodine-131 in seawater off chart
Contamination 1,250 times above maximum limit

...But he also stressed there is "no immediate risk to public health," as the changing tides will dilute the iodine-131, and its half-life, or the amount of time it takes for it to lose half its radioactivity, is only eight days.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/n...327a1.html

:censored:
03-27-2011 12:48 PM#378
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Quote:Shadow - looks like one reactor has hit a water table

I don't like the sound of this at all.

All bets are off if that's the case. Although the situation is different. That was one the biggest fears of the Soviets. They send miners from all over the soviet union, to build a tunnel underneath the reactor, so they could fill the space with a cooling system, but then changed their minds and if I remember correctly filled it with special cement to stop the fuel from hitting the water table/aquifer. As it could potentially lead to a massive explosion.
03-27-2011 01:34 PM#379
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
P, it isn't good at all

TOKYO — Radioactivity in water at one earthquake-crippled Japanese nuclear reactor soared to 10 million times its usual level Sunday, prompting the plant operator to evacuate workers, local media reported.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42280076/ns/...iapacific/

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03-27-2011 02:04 PM#380
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Chernobyl was one reactor, a huge clusterfuck explosion that went straight to level 7 on the scale. In just two weeks the Fukushima Plant has risen to 6 on the scale, that they have admitted.

The Fukushima "50", they are no doubt brave workers, I won't say men. Who knows women might be helping to save the day too, I hope so. Lets not leave this just to men to sort out (I'm a guy).

But 50 people - 6 reactors that have all had damage to some degree, We may not have heard much about 1-2 (only snippets myself) but the Tsunami didn't just bypass those two reactors.

It's just doesn't seem enough people are on the Job, or are they able to do the Job?

Yes, Chernobyl was different. But did their workers ever have to run away from the plant/were they even allowed to leave the site. Did thy just keep working anyway? It took them months at Chernobyl to clean the area as best they could and make/build a containment vessel, for a comparatively small area compared to the Fukashima plant situation.

I hope they have similar plans on the drawing board, but it doesn't seem likely. Everything seems to be happening too quickly for Tepco to react.

Did they seriously not think to themselves "you know we should bring in freshwater ASAP, or salt water is just going to contaminate the reactor" It took a long time for them to realize this danger. So the US Navy had to bring in fresh water, shows you just how isolated Japan is.

No one should be surprised at the high level of contamination in the nearby Ocean, they keep pumping the same water over the site.
03-27-2011 02:08 PM#381
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
No they weren't allowed to leave, the scientists from chernobyl, here's an interview with the last of them alive
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/cherno...id=webmail
03-27-2011 02:48 PM#382
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Quote:Emergency workers struggling to pump contaminated water from Japan's stricken nuclear complex fled one of the troubled reactors Sunday after reporting a huge spike in radioactivity, with levels 10 million times higher than normal in the reactor's cooling system, officials said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42291675/ns/...iapacific/

now where exactly are they putting this radioactive water? 13.gif
03-27-2011 03:11 PM#383
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

what a relief :whew: All is well again coffeetime.gif
03-27-2011 03:23 PM#384
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
That interview was harrowing. 'Nuclear slavery'- new one on me. One story out of hundreds of thousands.

Quote:TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous

What do they think people are stupid. That they are going to believe this utter nonsense. They'll probably leave it, let t sink into the ground water I guess.gaah.gif
03-27-2011 03:32 PM#385
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
(03-27-2011 03:23 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  What do they think people are stupid. That they are going to believe this utter nonsense. They'll probably leave it, let t sink into the ground water I guess.gaah.gif

Problem is they DO!! They do believe utter nonsense! The evidence is overwhelming. I'm becoming a freaking hermit because I can't stand the utter tripe and rubbish that passes for conversation in the social world. Try and discuss something of consequence (take food price inflation for ie) their eyes glaze over, attention turns elsewhere, I'm convinced it's a conditioned response generated by television. Okay some diversion is good, we regularily have thread corrections cheers.gif but not to the total exclusion of relevant global events.

/rant chuckle.gif
03-27-2011 03:39 PM#386
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Sad but true Shadow, it's as if the general population has had a collective lobotomy. Talk about anything of importance and people C0ck their heads sideways like a dog that hears a high pitched whistle. gaah.gif

I don't fully comprehend what TV, fluoride , flu shots, etc. have done that make people so ğkking stupid, but for some it works like a charm. sad2.gif Maybe they should consult their ministers. drinking.gif

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03-27-2011 03:51 PM#387
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
"Collective lobotomy" rofl.gif rofl.gif Yeah it's true. My sister blasts me for not paying more attention to BC politics, did I know they want to build a pipeline in her back yard?? Don't I care? meanwhile driving to protests on gasoline brought to her local gas station by a ğkking pipeline gaah.gif rofl.gif People don't think, they just take the easy out of letting others (television) do it for them. So sometimes my thinking is 'fringe' but I've been right once or twice and I definitely don't drink the kool aid. I drink the beer chuckle.gif
03-27-2011 06:01 PM#388
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
International shipping companies say their cargo ships will not enter Japan ports for the fear of radioactive contamination from the Fukushima nuclear plant.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171807.html

sad2.gif The Japanese are screwed. They can't export, they can't import, they have little uncontaminated water, the Pacific is polluted with radiation so no fishing. Completely isolated. ğck .
03-27-2011 07:29 PM#389
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
Okay, BBC propaganda piece at its finest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12860842

Viewpoint: We should stop running away from radiation

Yes we shouldn't run from it all, we should all line up at our nearest nuclear facility, for some nuketastic therapy.

Quote:More than 10,000 people have died in the Japanese tsunami and the survivors are cold and hungry. But the media concentrate on nuclear radiation from which no-one has died - and is unlikely to.

What of Three Mile Island? There were no known deaths there.

And Chernobyl? The latest UN report published on 28 February confirms the known death toll - 28 fatalities among emergency workers, plus 15 fatal cases of child thyroid cancer - which would have been avoided if iodine tablets had been taken (as they have now in Japan). And in each case the numbers are minute compared with the 3,800 at Bhopal in 1984, who died as a result of a leak of chemicals from the Union Carbide pesticide plant.
Continue reading the main story
Becquerels and Sieverts

So what of the radioactivity released at Fukushima? How does it compare with that at Chernobyl? Let's look at the measured count rates. The highest rate reported, at 1900 on 22 March, for any Japanese prefecture was 12 kBq per sq m (for the radioactive isotope of caesium, caesium-137).

A map of Chernobyl in the UN report shows regions shaded according to rate, up to 3,700 kBq per sq m - areas with less than 37 kBq per sq m are not shaded at all. In round terms, this suggests that the radioactive fallout at Fukushima is less than 1% of that at Chernobyl.

The other important radioisotope in fallout is iodine, which can cause child thyroid cancer.

This is only produced when the reactor is on and quickly decays once the reactor shuts down (it has a half life of eight days). The old fuel rods in storage at Fukushima, though radioactive, contain no iodine.

But at Chernobyl the full inventory of iodine and caesium was released in the initial explosion, so that at Fukushima any release of iodine should be much less than 1% of that at Chernobyl - with an effect reduced still further by iodine tablets.

Unfortunately, public authorities react by providing over-cautious guidance - and this simply escalates public concern.
Over-reaction

On the 16th anniversary of Chernobyl, the Swedish radiation authorities, writing in the Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter, admitted over-reacting by setting the safety level too low and condemning 78% of all reindeer meat unnecessarily, and at great cost.

Unfortunately, the Japanese seem to be repeating the mistake. On 23 March they advised that children should not drink tap water in Tokyo, where an activity of 200 Bq per litre had been measured the day before. Let's put this in perspective. The natural radioactivity in every human body is 50 Bq per litre - 200 Bq per litre is really not going to do much harm.

In the Cold War era most people were led to believe that nuclear radiation presents a quite exceptional danger understood only by "eggheads" working in secret military establishments.

To cope with the friendly fire of such nuclear propaganda on the home front, ever tighter radiation regulations were enacted in order to keep all contact with radiation As Low As Reasonably Achievable (ALARA), as the principle became known.

This attempt at reassurance is the basis of international radiation safety regulations today, which suggest an upper limit for the general public of 1 mSv per year above natural levels.

This very low figure is not a danger level, rather it's a small addition to the levels found in nature - a British person is exposed to 2.7 mSv per year, on average. My book Radiation and Reason argues that a responsible danger level based on current science would be 100 mSv per month, with a lifelong limit of 5,000 mSv, not 1 mSv per year.
New attitude

People worry about radiation because they cannot feel it. However, nature has a solution - in recent years it has been found that living cells replace and mend themselves in various ways to recover from a dose of radiation.

These clever mechanisms kick in within hours and rarely fail, except when they are overloaded - as at Chernobyl, where most of the emergency workers who received a dose greater than 4,000 mSv over a few hours died within weeks.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

Some might ask whether I would accept radioactive waste buried 100 metres under my own house?”

End Quote

However, patients receiving a course of radiotherapy usually get a dose of more than 20,000 mSv to vital healthy tissue close to the treated tumour. This tissue survives only because the treatment is spread over many days giving healthy cells time for repair or replacement.

In this way, many patients get to enjoy further rewarding years of life, even after many vital organs have received the equivalent of more than 20,000 years' dose at the above internationally recommended annual limit - which makes this limit unreasonable.

A sea-change is needed in our attitude to radiation, starting with education and public information.

Then fresh safety standards should be drawn up, based not on how radiation can be excluded from our lives, but on how much we can receive without harm - mindful of the other dangers that beset us, such as climate change and loss of electric power. Perhaps a new acronym is needed to guide radiation safety - how about As High As Relatively Safe (AHARS)?

Modern reactors are better designed than those at Fukushima - tomorrow's may be better still, but we should not wait. Radioactive waste is nasty but the quantity is small, especially if re-processed. Anyway, it is not the intractable problem that many suppose.

Some might ask whether I would accept it if it were buried 100 metres under my own house? My answer would be: "Yes, why not?" More generally, we should stop running away from radiation.

Wade Allison is a nuclear and medical physicist at the University of Oxford, the author of Radiation and Reason (2009) and Fundamental Physics for Probing and Imaging (2006).

Some of what she says comes across to me as plain crazy, and she is a nuclear and medical physicist at Oxford University. But I bet she is funded by BIG pharma and the Nuclear industry. The citation of th UN Report on Chernobyl would be laughable, if the real result weren't so sad.
03-27-2011 09:20 PM#390
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 15! Japan reactor core breached!
That's the BBC, just more lies and cover up. ğkking shills.

This is really really ğkking sad. Guy says they're evacuating Tokyo. He's getting red spots on his face, doesn't know why and official warning for nobody to use tap water, not even for washing. How the ğck do you evacuate a city of 30 million people? You don't.

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