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07-20-2011 04:33 AM#721
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Yeah, pretty close to me. I'm buying a geiger counter tomorrow and do my own testing. The gov has made clear they will not be making any radiation levels public. They say nothing to test for LOL! But if evacuation level for Chernobyl was 0.5 mcSv/h and South East BC is reading up to 1.68 I think there's something to be concerned about eh?

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07-20-2011 04:27 PM#722
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
A geiger counter sounds like a great idea Shadow hug.gif

Meanwhile, Arnie Gundersen's latest report damned.gif
"Things are really REALLY bad"

http://www.fairewinds.com/

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07-20-2011 04:57 PM#723
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Jeez my connection is bad this morning gaah.gif really frustrating. Something screwed up somewhere but hell if I know what it is. Might be the radio, hope not that's an expensive fix. gaah.gif

Hej Octo hug.gif I think I found a good one on ebay, it's in Italy. Most of them are in E Europe or Russia don't know how long that would take to get here. Still raining here too, constant cloud and storms that's not good. What a depressing summer sad2.gif
07-20-2011 06:14 PM#724
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
hug.gif Wow I can't believe your weather isn't improving gaah.gif Rain is probably real ğkkin low on your wish list right now sad2.gif Usually shipping in the EU is pretty fast, I have got stuff sent to me from the UK in 3-4 days. Probably faster to Canada than the US I can imagine 13.gif
07-21-2011 11:29 AM#725
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,932Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Gov't to announce new 'hot spots' near Fukushima plant within days

TOKYO, July 21, Kyodo

The government will announce new ''hot spots'' recommended for evacuation near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant possibly ''within the next couple of days,'' Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Thursday.

Late last month, for the first time since the nuclear crisis was triggered by the March earthquake and tsunami, the government designated about 100 households in the city of Date in Fukushima Prefecture as being located in the so-called hot spots, where radiation levels are sporadically higher than other locations nearby.

The annual level of radiation is estimated to top 20 millisieverts in the spots and the government, as well as local authorities, is prepared to assist those who wish to evacuate from there.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/07/104138.html

the only surprise is that this didn't happen back in March. This is starting to seem like some experiment to gauge what type of levels of radioactive substances have what effect over a period of varying degrees. Tepco and the Japanese govt need to be more responsible regarding the health and safety of citizens.

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07-21-2011 02:38 PM#726
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
It's been brutal here there's mudslides and roads washed out everywhere, flooding in the lower mainland. Been raining steady for 2 days now was +10C yesterday aft. I wore socks to bed last night cause I didn't light a fire and was freezing. I think we've had maybe 10 days without rain since winter.

I did fix my connection problem though

İmage
07-21-2011 02:58 PM#727
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
MIT's report on the 'incident' (unbelievable)

"The initial response of the nuclear industry and the U.S government to the Fukushima accident has been measured and rational (see Appendix B). However, the risk of over-reacting to an accident, particularly one as dramatic as Fukushima, remains high. The industry is concerned about the near-term effect of Fukushima on the process of life extension of current plants and the support for new construction projects. Under the pressure of the public and the media, the government may be compelled to push for sweeping policy and regulatory changes, which may ultimately prove to be unnecessarily onerous on existing and future plants. Decision-making in the immediate aftermath of a major crisis is often influenced by emotion. Therefore, the following questions should be addressed after searching for vulnerabilities at existing plants, but before enacting significant changes in nuclear energy regulations and policy. Does an accident like Fukushima, which is so far beyond design basis, really warrant a major overhaul of current nuclear safety regulations and practices?"

http://mitnse.files.wordpress.com/2011/0...sp-025.pdf
07-21-2011 03:13 PM#728
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Goddamn! I didn't know Simmering Lemur worked as a PR consultant for MIT vic.gif

You should have come here for summer Shadow patpat.gif It's a nice cloudy day 24C with a thunder front on its way. After that it's back to 30...we need to run get some more beer panic.gif
07-21-2011 03:17 PM#729
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-21-2011 02:38 PM)Shadow Wrote:  It's been brutal here there's mudslides and roads washed out everywhere, flooding in the lower mainland. Been raining steady for 2 days now was +10C yesterday aft. I wore socks to bed last night cause I didn't light a fire and was freezing. I think we've had maybe 10 days without rain since winter.

I did fix my connection problem though

İmage

Holy Crap Shadow! damned.gif Sounds like a job for a fire, doobie.gif and a fifth of Cognac! Hard to fathom we've been near 30 and humid for the better part of the summer. dunno.gif We had a summer like yours 3 years ago.
We were worried about frost in July! damned.gif Crazy shït living this far North.

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07-21-2011 03:24 PM#730
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
beercheer.gif can never have enough beer in the fridge.
Washington state and BC are both socked in cold and rain. The rest of US and Canada is burning up, record temps and fires and rolling blackouts all over. People complain about the prices at the produce stand, I tell them 'you ain't seen nothing yet' but they don't listen.
07-21-2011 03:26 PM#731
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-21-2011 03:24 PM)Shadow Wrote:  I tell them 'you ain't seen nothing yet' but they don't listen.

It'll be too late when they realize you were right damned.gif
07-21-2011 03:28 PM#732
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-21-2011 03:17 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Holy Crap Shadow! damned.gif Sounds like a job for a fire, doobie.gif and a fifth of Cognac! Hard to fathom we've been near 30 and humid for the better part of the summer. dunno.gif We had a summer like yours 3 years ago.
We were worried about frost in July! damned.gif Crazy shït living this far North.

It did freeze here maybe 2 weeks ago rofl.gif
07-21-2011 03:34 PM#733
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-21-2011 03:26 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(07-21-2011 03:24 PM)Shadow Wrote:  I tell them 'you ain't seen nothing yet' but they don't listen.

It'll be too late when they realize you were right damned.gif

I know and it's right before their eyes to see. In two years bread, pasta, rice, other staples have more than doubled and with all the strange weather patterns wreaking havoc on crops it'll only get worse, toss in the speculators and it's a certainty prices will only keep rising. I heard a rumor that US truckers are going to strike (Obama just signed an agreement with Mexico to allow Mexican trucks all over the US and the Teamsters union is furious) if that happens it will get ugly.
07-22-2011 03:53 AM#734
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Tokyo Electric's lax worker management found

The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has failed to confirm the whereabouts of 198 workers who are believed to have worked at the plant since the nuclear disaster started.

Criticizing the operator's lax personnel management, the health ministry has instructed Tokyo Electric Power Company to identify the workers and have those workers
checked for radiation exposure tests by next Friday.

In a report submitted to the ministry on Wednesday, the company admits that it has failed so far to confirm the whereabouts of the 198 workers, who are on the name-list of workers at the plant between March and April.

The company also reports that it has conducted radiation exposure tests on 8,338 workers, but still has to test more than 1,500 workers, including the 198.

The utility had reported last Wednesday that the number of missing was 132

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/21_03.html

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07-22-2011 03:42 PM#735
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
omg damned.gif

It's odd how every time I voice concerns about the radiation I get the response "oh it's not that bad" like it's fact based even íf I know they've not followed this as closely as we have here on the forum vic.gif

Quote:In two years bread, pasta, rice, other staples have more than doubled and with all the strange weather patterns wreaking havoc on crops it'll only get worse, toss in the speculators and it's a certainty prices will only keep rising

It might be a good thing I get most of my carbs from beer 13.gif But yes, things will get ugly and we're preparing accordingly İmage
07-22-2011 03:49 PM#736
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-22-2011 03:42 PM)Octo Wrote:  omg damned.gif

It's odd how every time I voice concerns about the radiation I get the response "oh it's not that bad" like it's fact based even íf I know they've not followed this as closely as we have here on the forum vic.gif

To them if it's not on the 6 o'clock news it simply isn't happening. Just yesterday I told a woman about the radiation levels in Lake Louise, she said "Oh, I wonder where it's coming from" then changed the subject rofl.gif I'm certainly not allowed to talk about it in my house, only get angry looks and a change of subject dunno.gif
07-22-2011 03:52 PM#737
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
(07-22-2011 03:49 PM)Shadow Wrote:  "Oh, I wonder where it's coming from" then changed the subject

bozo.gif duh
07-25-2011 03:22 PM#738
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Japan Passes Law To Cleanse Internet Of "Bad" Fukushima Radiation News


Japan has passed a law that will enable the police and contractors to monitor internet activity without restriction to "cleanse" the Internet of any "bad" Fukushima radiation news.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Japan Passes Law To Cleanse Internet Of "Bad" Fukushima Radiation News - Jersey City Civil Rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/civil-rights-in-...z1T7RYNa1a

gaah.gif That'll work. Not.
07-26-2011 04:15 PM#739
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!


07-30-2011 04:44 PM#740
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,932Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Quote:Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite lower radiation exposure than legal limit

Of 10 nuclear power plant workers who have developed cancer and received workers' compensation in the past, nine had been exposed to less than 100 millisieverts of radiation, it has been learned.

The revelation comes amid reports that a number of workers battling the crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant were found to have been exposed to more than the emergency limit of 250 millisieverts, which was raised from the previous limit of 100 millisieverts in March.

According to Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry statistics, of the 10 nuclear power plant workers, six had leukemia, two multiple myeloma and another two lymphatic malignancy. Only one had been exposed to 129.8 millisieverts but the remaining nine were less than 100 millisieverts, including one who had been exposed to about 5 millisieverts.

Nobuyuki Shimahashi, a worker at the Hamaoka Nuclear Power Plant, where operations were recently suspended by Chubu Electric Power Co., died of leukemia in 1991 at age 29. His 74-year-old mother Michiko remembers her son dropping from 80 kilograms to 50 kilograms and his gums bleeding.

Shimahashi was in charge of maintaining and checking measuring instruments inside the nuclear power plant as a subcontract employee. He had 50.63 millisieverts of radiation exposure over a period of eight years and 10 months.

His radiation exposure monitoring databook, which was returned to his family six months after his death, showed that more than 30 exposure figures and other listings had been corrected in red ink and stamped with personal seals.

Read it all: mdn.mainichi.jp

There are no safe levels of radiation period. We are being lied to by all in so called "authority". coffeetime.gif Funny how they are on the same sinking ship as the rest of us eh?

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07-31-2011 05:50 AM#741
GhostieMember
Posts: 1,113Joined: Mar 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
wonder if it's because they know a war between Israel and Iran is coming and most likely will turn nuclear and want no part of it,l because if America stays out of it Turkish troops were sent in they would just be an offer for slaughter and saving their forces for rebuilding of the area or to protect her borders and they know this cheers.gif
07-31-2011 06:42 AM#742
KreeperGriobhtha
Posts: 9,705Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Shadow, as miserable as it is, all that rain might be a good thing. It might be removing radiation from the air currents before it gets to you. It'll really help out the water tables also.

İmage
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
07-31-2011 10:40 PM#743
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
from the comments section of this article http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/07/plant...l#comments

Quote:Anonymous said...

There is a plant,a variety of Spiderwort, which has scientific studies showing it's color changes due to radiation(stamens change from blue to pink). Dr. Sadao Ichikawa, of Saitama University, Japan discovered thius property. Since the work was done in Japan, there should be plants planted there. Can someone determine if the plants are still blue, and not showing the pink stamens showing exposure danger? see:
Spiderwort and Radiation detection
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A cloned species of spiderwort, a roadside wildflower, changes color
from blue to pink when exposed to about the same radiation dosage as
permitted by federal guidelines.

The flower has become popular with the antinuclear movement and is being
planted by the thousands near nuclear plants worldwide.

Dr. Sadao Ichikawa, of Saitama University in Japan, was the geneticist
who discovered the radiation change.
08-02-2011 01:49 PM#744
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) reported on Monday that radiation exceeding 10 sieverts (10,000 millisieverts) per hour was found at the bottom of a ventilation stack standing between two reactors.

On Tuesday Tepco said it found another spot on the ventilation stack itself where radiation exceeded 10 sieverts per hour, a level that could lead to incapacitation or death after just several seconds of exposure.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/0...3D20110802

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08-02-2011 01:51 PM#745
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
wtf2.gif If they're admitting that much, what aren't they?
08-02-2011 01:56 PM#746
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
I'm afraid to think about it gaah.gif
08-02-2011 02:09 PM#747
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,631Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!
...oh, and they don't really know how high the radiation is since the geiger counters only reads up to 10 sieverts damned.gif
08-04-2011 01:46 PM#748
Accidental StonerMember
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RE: UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE
Hotspot between reactors "sealed" now, whatevah that might mean 13.gif

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/articl...n-detected
08-06-2011 01:35 PM#749
Anonymous KritterIncognitoAnonymous
 
Experts: Fukushima 'off-scale' lethal radiation level infers millions dying
Experts: Fukushima 'off-scale' lethal radiation level infers millions dying

Fukushima nuclear power plant radiation recordings of external gamma radiation have been so high this week, they went off scale said veteran nuclear expert Arnie Gunderson on Thursday after the famous physicist, Dr. Chris Busby told the Japanese people this week that radioactive air contamination there now is 300 times that of Chernobyl and 1000 times the atomic bomb peak in 1963, possibly inferring that hundreds of millions of people are now dying from Fukushima radiation, including people in the United States.

If noticing unusual amounts of hair falling out, confusion, nose bleeds or other odd symptoms typical of radiation sickness, it might be due to the United States record high levels of radiation, now multiple times acceptable safety limits not only on the west coast, but also in other locations around the nation.

Because Fukushima radiation data retrieval and interpretation has been so complex or non-existent for the concerned public, citizen reporters in Japan and United States have now established easily accessible ways to view radiation levels on the internet.
Fukushima radiation depopulation unfathomable: Possibly 100s of millions deaths

Dr Janette Sherman, a highly respected physician and acknowledged expert in radiation exposure who has reported a north-east United States 35% baby death spike since Fukushima fall-out reached the nation, concurs with estimates that world wide, the Chernobyl Kill is one million people killed to date reported NOVA News. Extrapolating, worldwide deaths by Fukushima radiation could eventually be hundreds of millions of people, becoming the most significant depopulation event to date.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-...z1UD11LNCO

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08-07-2011 09:05 PM#750
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: Experts: Fukushima 'off-scale' lethal radiation level infers millions dying
(08-06-2011 01:35 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Experts: Fukushima 'off-scale' lethal radiation level infers millions dying

Fukushima nuclear power plant radiation recordings of external gamma radiation have been so high this week, they went off scale said veteran nuclear expert Arnie Gunderson on Thursday after the famous physicist, Dr. Chris Busby told the Japanese people this week that radioactive air contamination there now is 300 times that of Chernobyl and 1000 times the atomic bomb peak in 1963, possibly inferring that hundreds of millions of people are now dying from Fukushima radiation, including people in the United States.

If noticing unusual amounts of hair falling out, confusion, nose bleeds or other odd symptoms typical of radiation sickness, it might be due to the United States record high levels of radiation, now multiple times acceptable safety limits not only on the west coast, but also in other locations around the nation.

Because Fukushima radiation data retrieval and interpretation has been so complex or non-existent for the concerned public, citizen reporters in Japan and United States have now established easily accessible ways to view radiation levels on the internet.
Fukushima radiation depopulation unfathomable: Possibly 100s of millions deaths

Dr Janette Sherman, a highly respected physician and acknowledged expert in radiation exposure who has reported a north-east United States 35% baby death spike since Fukushima fall-out reached the nation, concurs with estimates that world wide, the Chernobyl Kill is one million people killed to date reported NOVA News. Extrapolating, worldwide deaths by Fukushima radiation could eventually be hundreds of millions of people, becoming the most significant depopulation event to date.

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-...z1UD11LNCO

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ğck , that should be pinned on its own. Truly terrifying.
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