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07-05-2012 04:33 PM#991
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
Yes, all through this I kept asking:

Why would they build nuclear reactors to not withstand the most severe earthquakes?
Why would they build nuclear reactors so close to the coastline when tsunamis can be expected?
Why are the government officials not doing or saying anything?
Why isn't the government asking the World for help?

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07-06-2012 03:43 AM#992
Anonymous KritterIncognitoAnonymous
 
RE: The Fukushima Disaster
(07-05-2012 04:33 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Yes, all through this I kept asking:

Why would they build nuclear reactors to not withstand the most severe earthquakes?
Why would they build nuclear reactors so close to the coastline when tsunamis can be expected?
Why are the government officials not doing or saying anything?
Why isn't the government asking the World for help?

damned.gif


they like nuclear disasters uhoh.gif
07-06-2012 04:54 AM#993
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
(07-06-2012 03:43 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(07-05-2012 04:33 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Yes, all through this I kept asking:

Why would they build nuclear reactors to not withstand the most severe earthquakes?
Why would they build nuclear reactors so close to the coastline when tsunamis can be expected?
Why are the government officials not doing or saying anything?
Why isn't the government asking the World for help?

damned.gif


they like nuclear disasters uhoh.gif


They have major societal problems...not addressed...and perhaps never will be.
07-06-2012 11:06 AM#994
Anonymous KritterIncognitoAnonymous
 
RE: The Fukushima Disaster
ğck - you - she - ma

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07-06-2012 07:32 PM#995
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
(07-06-2012 04:54 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(07-06-2012 03:43 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(07-05-2012 04:33 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Yes, all through this I kept asking:

Why would they build nuclear reactors to not withstand the most severe earthquakes?
Why would they build nuclear reactors so close to the coastline when tsunamis can be expected?
Why are the government officials not doing or saying anything?
Why isn't the government asking the World for help?

damned.gif


they like nuclear disasters uhoh.gif


They have major societal problems...not addressed...and perhaps never will be.


We all do sad2.gif This should be a concern to all governments everywhere but all they say is 'no it's not that bad' sad2.gif Why isn't the UN doing anything constructive for once?!? Oh it's because Fukushima is not that bad. Carry on, nothing to see here.
07-07-2012 03:53 PM#996
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
(07-06-2012 07:32 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(07-06-2012 04:54 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(07-06-2012 03:43 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(07-05-2012 04:33 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Yes, all through this I kept asking:

Why would they build nuclear reactors to not withstand the most severe earthquakes?
Why would they build nuclear reactors so close to the coastline when tsunamis can be expected?
Why are the government officials not doing or saying anything?
Why isn't the government asking the World for help?

damned.gif


they like nuclear disasters uhoh.gif


They have major societal problems...not addressed...and perhaps never will be.


We all do sad2.gif This should be a concern to all governments everywhere but all they say is 'no it's not that bad' sad2.gif Why isn't the UN doing anything constructive for once?!? Oh it's because Fukushima is not that bad. Carry on, nothing to see here.


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07-09-2012 01:50 PM#997
smart-assMember
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
after all is said and done the Japanese people and country will bounce back from this after all look how strong their economy was after ww2 bloody 2 nuclear bombs couldn't keep em down think in the end they'll be just fine 'Let's hope cheers.gif

Beware of the booger eater he'snot full uhoh.gif
07-11-2012 09:59 PM#998
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
We seem to have another potential customer for Canada's natural gas pipeline.

Excerpt:

Although relatively expensive, Lovering indicated, “most analysts expect Japan to continue ramping up coal and natural gas electricity production. Renewables currently make up about 1 to 2 percent of Japan’s electricity, but most of that is waste and biomass burning, which is difficult to scale up.”

Joseph Dukert16, senior fellow with the US Association for Energy Economics17 believes a solution will involve, “a gradual rebuilding of the Japanese nuclear stable. The only feasible supplement I can envision, however, is natural gas; and this will depend on a large increase in global gas production and a steady, costly development of delivery infrastructure, both by pipeline and LNG. I expect Japanese energy supply problems to continue for perhaps a decade.”

http://uraniuminvestingnews.com/11919/wh...lants.html
07-13-2012 04:40 PM#999
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
Good news?

Quote:NHK: Fuel rods to be removed from No. 4 fuel pool — Concerns about sea water damage — Special container so fuel doesn’t going critical — Test date not revealed ‘for security reasons’

A crane will be used to pull each of the 2 rods out of the pool, and then place them in a special container on the 5th floor of the reactor building.

The container will prevent the fuel from going critical.

Another crane will lower the container to the ground, where a truck will take it to a facility called a “common pool.”

TEPCO will also check if there’s any damage to the metal container used to store the fuel rods. This is a concern because seawater was used to cool the reactor after last year’s accident.
Read more: enenews.com

so fuel doesn’t going critical 13.gif No speaky engrish? İmage

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07-13-2012 04:44 PM#1000
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
Quote:A crane will be used to pull each of the 2 rods out of the pool

2 rods? They're leaving the rest or they can't find them? damned.gif
07-14-2012 05:36 PM#1001
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
No news about the missing 2 rods is bad news. damned.gif

It's obvious the existing plants will not be able to withstand a 9.0 earthquake and there will be earthquakes of this magnitude, I believe.

From article:

Given the risks involved, the prevalence of seismic activity in Japan and the diminishing enthusiasm of the Japanese public for nuclear energy, it would be sensible for Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda to err on the side of caution and set as a temporary benchmark the ability to withstand a 9.0 earthquake before a reactor can go back online.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion...51885.html

200 000 protesters in the street! yay.gif

07-14-2012 05:47 PM#1002
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
I'm scaring myself now. damned.gif

From article:

I told him that I came to Washington to explain that Japan will not take the first step; its leadership does not have the power to act first and survive politically, and does not have the courage to take the first step without thinking of the second.

http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/06/what-is...g-for.html
07-16-2012 11:51 PM#1003
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36 Percent Of Fukushima Children Have Abnormal Growths From Radiation Exposure

Of more than 38,000 children tested from the Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, 36 percent have abnormal growths – cysts or nodules – on their thyroids only a year after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, as reported by ENENews.

the results in Fukushima show a "much faster progression compared to Chernobyl"

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-stunnin...ure-2012-7

damned.gif Horrible, why are they not evacuating?
07-17-2012 12:54 AM#1004
spikeychopsMember
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
I'm new here, so hi everyone.

Interesting thread...scary, but interesting.

There are a nubber of other options open to Japan, if they are insisting on going nuclear.

They don't have to use the same technology, or fuel for a reactor.

Thorium breeder reactors can use the waste or spent fuel from other more outdated technology, as it's main fuel, clearing up the nuclear waste issue.

Thorium reactors consume all the fuel they are fed, even the waste fuel from conventional, more dangerous reactors and any residual radiation is greatly reduced. If a quake took out a thorium reactor, the dangers from readiation would be very much less than the type they used in Fukushima (and most other's in the world too).

I don't know why these things aren't built a mile or two underground, or sealed deep inside mountains anyway...if it goes up, there wouldn't be any fallout to worry about.

Maybe Japan will see sense and leave nuclear alone entirely, and become the driving force behind alternative energy technologies innovations in the coming few years? I hope so.
07-17-2012 02:56 AM#1005
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
wave.gif Spikey, welcome!

Yes it's a really scary thread. It's been pinned since the disaster as a grim reminder of the ongoing horror. People only following mainstream media think this is a non issue anymore. It's a nightmare.

We've been discussing thorium reactors as well and it's insanity it's not being utilized. But as corporate interests continue to rule mankind without regard to either nature or humanity it's pretty much to be expected.

But seriously... Build a nuclear plant where 3 tectonic plates converge and not expect a big earthquake? Really???

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07-17-2012 11:21 PM#1006
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
A new study states that there won't be too many cancer deaths from radiation ...

"“There was a lot of luck involved,” said Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Stanford, in a telephone interview. “The effects vary significantly with the meteorological conditions and the only reason this wasn’t a lot worse was because 81 percent of all the emissions were deposited over the ocean.”

Where do they get their data from? The Japanese Government?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-17...finds.html
07-18-2012 12:56 PM#1007
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster
15.gif That is some poor propaganda US.

Quote:*UPDATE* NHK: Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!

@ENENews Trial removal process began a few hours ago for 1 of 204 unused fuel rods at Fukushima Daiichi NPP unit 4
http://enenews.com/just-in-nhk-fuel-rod-...it-4-photo

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07-18-2012 03:28 PM#1008
yankeesskier
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!

Biere.
07-18-2012 04:04 PM#1009
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
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Quote:Researchers have released the findings of an intense study into the aftermath of last year’s Fukushima nuclear disaster and warn that the United States isn’t exactly spared just yet. In fact, scientists now fear that incredibly contaminated ocean waters could be reaching the West Coast of the US in a matter of only five years, and the toxicity of those waves could eventually be worse than what was seen in Japan.

Let's pray they're wrong. sad2.gif
07-18-2012 05:23 PM#1010
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
Radioactivity in the ocean as at April, 2012:

"In some places, the researchers from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) discovered cesium radiation hundreds to thousands of times higher than would be expected naturally, with ocean eddies and larger currents both guiding the "radioactive debris" and concentrating it."

They used drifters to monitor the radioactive currents.

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http://www.livescience.com/19419-fukushi...ocean.html
07-18-2012 07:58 PM#1011
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
This is a disaster of biblical proportions! sad2.gif The Pacific Ocean feeds a whole lot of people.
07-18-2012 08:04 PM#1012
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
After more than a year away, swimmers in Fukushima prefecture were allowed to return to the sea this week for the first time since disaster struck at the Japanese nuclear plant.

All of Fukushima's 17 beaches were closed last year to protect the public from radiation contamination. A massive earthquake and tsunami in March 2011 wrecked the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, triggering meltdowns that contaminated food and water and forced mass evacuations.

Now, authorities have opened one of the beaches after declaring the water there to be safe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...53592.html

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07-18-2012 08:13 PM#1013
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
(07-18-2012 07:58 PM)Octo Wrote:  This is a disaster of biblical proportions! sad2.gif The Pacific Ocean feeds a whole lot of people.


The scientists are now saying the acidity in the oceans is increasing at an alarming rate that we can expect species to start dying off within the next five years. damned.gif
07-18-2012 08:16 PM#1014
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
Interesting interview with Gundersen. Japanese nuclear plant (American) designs cannot withstand earthquakes and they have started one (only one?) up so far.


The above video's interview was cut off prematurely, here is the full interview:


Gundersen expects to see a million cancers because of this manmade disaster.

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07-18-2012 08:24 PM#1015
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
I'm no Bible head, but I recall a passage in Revelation..and I'm paraphrasing...

2/3 of the fish in the sea would die because of wormwood. (Bitterness, acidity) If you've ever tasted wormwood of absinthe you'd get it. sad2.gif

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07-18-2012 09:14 PM#1016
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
Japan now has two nuclear plants back up and running...

Separately, a reactor at the Ohi nuclear plant in central Japan went online Wednesday, the second to restart after the disasters. Another Ohi reactor was restarted earlier this month.

Update on fuel rod removal:

http://www.wisconsinrapidstribune.com/us...NTPAGE%7Cp

"If we are asked whether things are completely safe, we cannot say that," he said. "If there is another major earthquake, we don't know what may happen, although we hope for the best."
07-19-2012 03:58 AM#1017
bohicaMember
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
http://littlebloginthebigwoods.blogspot.com/


100,000 March In Tokyo...

And you didn't hear about it at all.  My 100,000 is between two estimates.  There's a video at the link; much larger than their usual, with photos of the huge crowd in Tokyo- in 37° heat.  Someone (of you) should grab it, and repost to YouTube, before it vanishes.  From NHK:


Anti-nuclear rally held in Tokyo

"Tens of thousands of people have staged one of the biggest anti-nuclear rallies in Tokyo since the Fukushima accident in March, last year.

"Labor union activists joined members of the public in the main protest rally at Yoyogi Park on Monday. Many of them responded to calls on the social network Twitter and the Internet.

"Nobel prize-winning author Kenzaburo Oe was among public figures who called on people to take to the streets.

"The rally came after a reactor at the Ohi nuclear power plant in Fukui Prefecture, central Japan, was brought back online. It began operating at full capacity earlier this month.

"Oe said the government's move to push forward the re-starting of idled reactors despite wide public opposition is an insult to the people. He added that people must defeat this move.

"Organizers say 170, 000 people took part in the rally, while police estimate the number at 75,000.  The crowd then marched on to the streets to protest the restart of the reactor and show their opposition to nuclear power.

"A woman took part with her son, who is in elementary school. She said she wants the government to scrap nuclear plants immediately for the safety of her child.  A man in his 70s said he joined the rally because the government won't listen to the people. He added that he cannot accept its decision to restart the reactor.

"Jul. 16, 2012 - Updated 15:55 UTC (00:55 JST)"
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And you thought the world could not change?  This is an astonishing change for Japan; before Fukushima, anti-nuclear protests typically garnered numbers of under 100 protesters, year after year.  Granted- it took massive disaster.  But look at the people in the video.  I have to say- I see some hope in their faces.  They're not going away, or giving up.  I hope.

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Labels: ACTION, good news; nuclear power

There's plenty of room for all God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes!
07-19-2012 12:21 PM#1018
JedMember
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
It's high time they stand up
fer what they believe in.
This ain't gonna' go away
fer a very long time.
07-21-2012 03:58 PM#1019
OctoMother Superior
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RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
TEPCO subcontractor tried to underreport workers' radiation exposure

TOKYO, July 21, Kyodo

An executive of a Tokyo Electric Power Co. subcontractor forced its nine workers at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to cover their radiation monitoring meters with lead-made plates, the company said Saturday.

The executive is believed to have tried to underreport radiation exposure, prompting the Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry to launch an investigation on suspicion of violating the industrial safety and health law, according to its officials.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/07/170842.html


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On BBC as well: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18936831
07-22-2012 06:25 PM#1020
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,525Joined: Feb 2011
RE: The Fukushima Disaster *UPDATE* Fuel rod removal process underway at Unit 4!
Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland waters safe to eat 16 months after the Fukushima nuclear disaster?

Governments and many scientists say they are. But the largest collection of data on radiation in Japanese fish tells a very different story.

In June, 56 percent of Japanese fish catches tested by the Japanese government were contaminated with ce-sium-137 and -134. (Both are human-made radioactive isotopes—produced through nuclear fission—of the element cesium.)

And 9.3 percent of the catches exceeded Japan’s official ceiling for cesium, which is 100 becquerels per kilogram (Bq/kg). (A becquerel is a unit of radioactivity equal to one nuclear disintegration per second.)

http://m.straight.com/s?fid=22&a=735051&f=latest&s=60

This has me wondering...13.gif Every year I can and smoke about 20 salmon, usually Chinooks, but I have no idea how to tell, for myself, if they have cesium contamination gaah.gif
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