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12-23-2012, 07:32 PM #1,141
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/a...26/1/.html
Japan's incoming pro-nuclear PM "to review Fukushima"

It is nice to see that the Japanese have elected a sensible leader who will review the situation fairly.
12-27-2012, 04:45 PM #1,142
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From your article, tadpole, you will note that the PM states that he will investigate what happened, which was already done and reported, so instead of him saying we will then make a decision based upon the findings, he states that immediately thereafter they will restart the reactors.

This PM reeks of having an agenda to push.
12-27-2012, 09:20 PM #1,143
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(11-27-2012, 04:11 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  This was posted by the creator at enenews

Free online PDF Why DNA and ionizing radiation are a dangerous mix, an expose of the Nuke Industry, by Ace Hoffman. > http://www.acehoffman.org/

http://www.acehoffman.org/books/TheCodeKillers.pdf


Any article that mentions free radicals is a ditsy new age piece.

http://www.aboutnuclear.org/view.cgi?fC=Radiation_and_Radioactivity,Protection_and_Safety_Regulation
"Another way of looking at it is that if there were a cliff one might fall over and die, and normally one lived 1,578 miles away from the cliff, regulations require that we take care if we move 0.06 thousandths of an inch closer to the cliff."


The Health Physics society is recommending the "additional radiation above background" dose limit be raised to 50 mS/y. Some other societies are recommending 100 mS/y since there is no evidence of harm below that level.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889503/
"The projections of thousands of late cancer deaths based on LNT[Linear no threshold], are in conflict with observations that in comparison with general population of Russia, a 15% to 30% deficit of solid cancer mortality was found among the Russian emergency workers, and a 5% deficit solid cancer incidence among the population of most contaminated areas."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70012...tml?pg=all
U.S. National Institute of Health in "Cancer in Populations Living Near Nuclear Facilities" reports, "the survey has produced no evidence that an excess occurrence of cancer has resulted from living near nuclear facilities … the dose from routine operations is generally much below natural background radiation."


(12-27-2012, 04:45 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  From your article, tadpole, you will note that the PM states that he will investigate what happened, which was already done and reported, so instead of him saying we will then make a decision based upon the findings, he states that immediately thereafter they will restart the reactors.

This PM reeks of having an agenda to push.

Unique - we are going to have to agree to disagree because we assess risk/benefit differently.

There is a article I'll post if I find it again. It was about TEPCO's culture of risk management and some of their personnel changes. It examines how the culture of risk management led to the siting and preparation issues that contributed to the reactor incidents. They only did scripted disaster drills and didn't really practice worst case scenarios. The "disaster" they were planning for was more downtime related than safety related.

I've been pretty clear that TEPCO has done a good job since the disaster - but pre-disaster they could have planned better.

http://tepco.socio-j.com/en/overview/cor...alD-e.html
The actual cost of the four damaged reactors surprised me - they cost 240 billion yen. At 360 yen to the dollar (1967) that's $670 million for all four reactors or $3.63 Billion in 2012 dollars.
12-28-2012, 06:16 PM #1,144
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...and he will just ignore what the Japanese people want, as per usual. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.



BTW, this vid was 5 months ago...that's because for some reason the media there is not covering these protests.
12-28-2012, 06:35 PM #1,145
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One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.
12-29-2012, 01:01 AM #1,146
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(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...
12-29-2012, 01:59 AM #1,147
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(12-29-2012, 01:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...


chuckle.gif Hey Tadpole, did you make note of this thread title? ....DISASTER

Geothermal is what the clueless gov't needs to look at.

http://www.freshcurrents.org/blog/2012/0...e-in-2050/
12-29-2012, 09:39 AM #1,148
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(12-29-2012, 01:59 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(12-29-2012, 01:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...


chuckle.gif Hey Tadpole, did you make note of this thread title? ....DISASTER

Geothermal is what the clueless gov't needs to look at.

http://www.freshcurrents.org/blog/2012/0...e-in-2050/


Most of the article is crap. However - onsen (hot springs) are very common in Japan. which is a volcanic island chain. For local heat and power geothermal makes sense and if there are hot springs the geothermal energy can be practically harvested.

Japan has few natural energy sources - wave generators in the ocean, geothermal on land, and nuclear are Japan's best options. If you have enough energy you can make hydrocarbon fuel from air and water. So as long as they can produce electric power cheaply Japan is in good shape. I don't think they can get away from nuclear - but any source of cost competitive power is a good option.
12-30-2012, 08:56 PM #1,149
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Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?
01-01-2013, 02:21 AM #1,150
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(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.
01-02-2013, 07:30 AM #1,151
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(01-01-2013, 02:21 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.


Who are keeping records?
01-09-2013, 09:42 PM #1,152
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Quote:But the Asahi Shimbun daily reported last week that dirty soil, leaves and water have been dumped directly into rivers. The paper cited workers as saying they were told to sweep only around radiation monitoring sites.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/330...n-up-firms
01-09-2013, 09:50 PM #1,153
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Six U.S. sailors sue Tokyo Electric for $10 M each, plus extra $30M.

Quote:What does the Japanese media think of the US sailors’ claims that they face irreparable harm to the life expectancy and the risk of cancer? Not much. The legal team claims that the eight sailors already suffer from ailments from radiation poisoning, such as internal bleeding and persistent migraines. But they can’t prove these health problems are a result of Fukushima.

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/N...ation.html

01-11-2013, 12:09 AM #1,154
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(01-02-2013, 07:30 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(01-01-2013, 02:21 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.


Who are keeping records?


Well, no one really. Ted Kennedy is dead which makes it highly unlikely anyone else will die in the back of his car. I'm not even sure where his car is. Don't know why keeping track of a dead man would be important.

That reminds me of a Gary Hart joke.

"What was Gary Hart's big mistake?"


.................................


"He didn't let Ted drive Donna home!"
01-20-2013, 04:47 PM #1,155
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Almost two years after the awful nuclear disaster occurred, a fish caught near Fukushima on Friday January 18th had a record-breaking level of radioactive contamination over 2500x the legal limit. TEPCO measured 'Mike the Murasoi' at 254,000 becquerels per kilogram (with the limit for edible seafood at 100 becquerels). As Le Monde reports, the previous record (caught on August 21st 2012) was a mere 25,800 becquerels/kg. As further precautions, TEPCO is installing new nets 20km around the Fukushima Daichi site to avoid highly contaminated fish gettig too far and being consumed by other species.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-19...-fukushima

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01-20-2013, 04:58 PM #1,156
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(01-20-2013, 04:47 PM)Shadow Wrote:  Almost two years after the awful nuclear disaster occurred, a fish caught near Fukushima on Friday January 18th had a record-breaking level of radioactive contamination over 2500x the legal limit. TEPCO measured 'Mike the Murasoi' at 254,000 becquerels per kilogram (with the limit for edible seafood at 100 becquerels). As Le Monde reports, the previous record (caught on August 21st 2012) was a mere 25,800 becquerels/kg. As further precautions, TEPCO is installing new nets 20km around the Fukushima Daichi site to avoid highly contaminated fish gettig too far and being consumed by other species.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-19...-fukushima

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Why didn't they put up the nets two years ago? sad2.gif
01-20-2013, 05:03 PM #1,157
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dunno.gif US, I'm cynical enough to guess the nets wouldn't go up at all if Mike hadn't become public knowledge.
01-20-2013, 05:05 PM #1,158
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(01-20-2013, 05:03 PM)Shadow Wrote:  dunno.gif US, I'm cynical enough to guess the nets wouldn't go up at all if Mike hadn't become public knowledge.


I tend to agree with you, considering all the facts on the previous posts about the non-transparency in this disaster.
01-21-2013, 08:28 AM #1,159
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(01-20-2013, 04:58 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(01-20-2013, 04:47 PM)Shadow Wrote:  Almost two years after the awful nuclear disaster occurred, a fish caught near Fukushima on Friday January 18th had a record-breaking level of radioactive contamination over 2500x the legal limit. TEPCO measured 'Mike the Murasoi' at 254,000 becquerels per kilogram (with the limit for edible seafood at 100 becquerels). As Le Monde reports, the previous record (caught on August 21st 2012) was a mere 25,800 becquerels/kg. As further precautions, TEPCO is installing new nets 20km around the Fukushima Daichi site to avoid highly contaminated fish gettig too far and being consumed by other species.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-19...-fukushima

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Why didn't they put up the nets two years ago? sad2.gif


Did the math on this. The sensible pre Fukushima limit was 500 Bq/kg. The limit was cut to 100 Bq/kg to give the natives a false sense of security and is causing them to throw away a lot of perfectly good food. The Murasoi is about 2.1 kg.

The typical human is at the limit of consumption 100 Bq/kg (so remember not to eat more than about 8 oz of human per day).

The fish represents about 2-3 lbs of meat. In Japan this would be 8 oz for 4 people. 254,000 Bq/kg = = 58 kBq/0.5 lbs serving. For a 160 lb (72.6 kg) person this would result in 795 Bq/kg intake and (assuming 50% retention) 397 Bq/kg absorbed for a total of 497 Bq/kg. So by the original Japanese standard the human would still be edible.

The half life (retention period) of Cesium is 70 days. So it would take about 5 months eating non-radioactive food to get down to the current Japanese limit of 100 Bq/kg.

As an aside - I didn't realize that humans were normally so radioactive. That is probably a result of being at the top of the food chain.
02-03-2013, 04:00 PM #1,160
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NHK ‘Inside Fukushima’: Highest radiation on tour found between Pacific Ocean and Reactor 3 — 1,370 microsieverts per hour (VIDEO)

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/m...12000.html

Still pretty high levels, no matter how you spin it. I do believe things will be better by 2051, like he said. damned.gif

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02-04-2013, 06:09 PM #1,161
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Fuku site after earthquake/tsunami, The smoking wreck is whats left of Unit 4 after it exploded most of its contents into the skies of earth. Where it continues to encircle the earth, truly death from above, a new cycle every 40 days. Meanwhile at the plant itself where corium continues to spew its own deadly concoction of death every single moment.

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02-05-2013, 08:06 PM #1,162
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(02-04-2013, 06:09 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Fuku site after earthquake/tsunami, The smoking wreck is whats left of Unit 4 after it exploded most of its contents into the skies of earth. Where it continues to encircle the earth, truly death from above, a new cycle every 40 days. Meanwhile at the plant itself where corium continues to spew its own deadly concoction of death every single moment.

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Don't know where this came from.

Did look at a report that said one of the reactors, I believe it is #1 actually did chew through the steel vessel and burrow into the concrete. This diluted the corium so much it went subcritical and that reactor was the first to cool.

All the reactors are cool enough at this point you could swim in the water.
02-06-2013, 05:32 AM #1,163
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(02-05-2013, 08:06 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(02-04-2013, 06:09 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Fuku site after earthquake/tsunami, The smoking wreck is whats left of Unit 4 after it exploded most of its contents into the skies of earth. Where it continues to encircle the earth, truly death from above, a new cycle every 40 days. Meanwhile at the plant itself where corium continues to spew its own deadly concoction of death every single moment.

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Don't know where this came from.

Did look at a report that said one of the reactors, I believe it is #1 actually did chew through the steel vessel and burrow into the concrete. This diluted the corium so much it went subcritical and that reactor was the first to cool.

All the reactors are cool enough at this point you could swim in the water.


I wouldn't want to, though.
02-06-2013, 07:30 AM #1,164
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(02-06-2013, 05:32 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(02-05-2013, 08:06 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(02-04-2013, 06:09 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Fuku site after earthquake/tsunami, The smoking wreck is whats left of Unit 4 after it exploded most of its contents into the skies of earth. Where it continues to encircle the earth, truly death from above, a new cycle every 40 days. Meanwhile at the plant itself where corium continues to spew its own deadly concoction of death every single moment.

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Don't know where this came from.

Did look at a report that said one of the reactors, I believe it is #1 actually did chew through the steel vessel and burrow into the concrete. This diluted the corium so much it went subcritical and that reactor was the first to cool.

All the reactors are cool enough at this point you could swim in the water.


I wouldn't want to, though.


You might be ok if you jumped in and swam around for a minute, then got out and were hosed down.

If you were in much more than that - the only swimming stroke you would be able to do is the deadman's float.
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02-07-2013, 04:04 PM #1,165
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Tell that to the families, in this video.
02-08-2013, 03:35 AM #1,166
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(02-07-2013, 04:04 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  


Tell that to the families, in this video.


About 300 hundred people died in the evacuation.

Only about 100 would have died if they stayed.

Living away from home is a bummer though.
02-10-2013, 01:27 AM #1,167
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Yes indeed it would be a bummer.

Fukushima survivors to file class action lawsuit against Japanese govt, plant operator

http://rt.com/news/fukushima-lawsuit-tep...nment-747/
Quote:At least 350 people affected by the 2011 Fukushima nuclear meltdown will file a class action lawsuit against the Japanese government and the plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) on the second anniversary of the disaster.

Lawyers representing residents whose homes and farms were hit by radiation in the wake of the disaster said it was the largest suit on the issue filed against the government.

The plaintiffs will further seek some US$535 each in compensation from TEPCO for every month they have been displaced as a result of the accident.

They also plan to seek a court injunction that will require both the government and TEPCO to reduce radiation levels in the affected area to pre-disaster levels.
02-17-2013, 06:39 PM #1,168
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Quote:Dry ice vacuum cleaner robot bound for Fukushima

"As the machine blasts tiny grains of dry ice against the surface, the impact of it as well as the energy of evaporation help detach radiological substances," said Tadasu Yotsuyanagi of Toshiba, which developed the robot.

"Since dry ice immediately gets sublimated into gas, it itself does not produce contaminated waste," he said, adding the technology was developed initially to scrape paint off airplanes.

The robot can theoretically clean a space of up to two square metres (22 square feet) per hour, but the current system can only hold enough dry ice for half an hour.

İmage



http://au.news.yahoo.com/technology/news...fukushima/

Well, at the very least, we (humanity) are becoming expert at cleaning up our messes.



02-17-2013, 08:38 PM #1,169
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...shima.html

The barber who returned to earthquake-devastated Fukushima

Kato, a small man with a big broad smile, speaks to me through an interpreter. “When I reopened the shop, of course no one really came to have their hair cut. But when people began to hear that I was open they dropped by instead for a cup of tea.”
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