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03-16-2011 08:48 PM#151
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Yeah jdoom, you always reminded me a little of a young Roger, always straightforward 37.gif too much for some people I guess, but I personally didn't mind at all. You wouldn't be you otherwise, and at least everybody pretty much always knows where they stand with you cheers.gif

That killing of the dolphins...it's ğkking reprehensible on every level. People that work with them will tell you they are as bright as people.

Perhaps even smarter, they certainly don't build nuclear facilities and pretend they are safe.

wonder.gif
03-16-2011 10:33 PM#152
CynicalabsurdanceMember
Posts: 7,118Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
yay.gif <-------<<< " Jump,,, Jump for Joy, your right on time.

here is a poem i wrote back about the turn of the last century

" A little south of the weather,
and,
a little east of spring,

a swift wind shall rise,
changing everything.

From the Dawn of Eden
unto the Twilight of time

From the spawn of the first seedling
to the last thought on your mind,

Every man has had to struggle

everyman has had to struggle to survive

everyman has the right to be free
everyman has a right to be alive.

HEED THE WARNING



the rest i forgot

be back later to finish it
if i ever remember it in full.

heh heh
but it fits this shït like a spandex toilet.
03-16-2011 10:37 PM#153
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Quote:heh heh
but it fits this shït like a spandex toilet.

rofl.gif I haven't seen one of those since the 80's! hilarious!

But yeah, great poem Rog' and it fits like a glove.

wonder.gif
03-16-2011 10:45 PM#154
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Radiation 'extremely high' as Fukushima reactor fuel pool runs dry, NRC chair warns

There is no water left in the spent fuel pool of reactor No. 4 at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant, resulting in "extremely high" radiation levels, the chair of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission warned Wednesday.

Read more:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internation...qW6DWNU8YJ

Seems like İmage

Get out of Tokyo now! Foreign Office tells all Britons to evacuate Japanese capital as French say stricken reactors are out of control

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html

There are 17 000 Brits in Japan, the vast majority in Tokyo damned.gif
03-16-2011 10:52 PM#155
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
U.S. asks citizens in 80-km radius of Japan nuke plant to evacuate
WASHINGTON, March 16, Kyodo

The U.S. Embassy in Japan has asked American citizens living within an 80-kilometer radius of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant in Japan to evacuate as a precautionary measure.

The advice was issued Thursday local time while the Japanese government currently sets the evacuation zone covering areas within a 20-km radius of the plant.

==Kyodo


http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78709.html
03-16-2011 11:26 PM#156
CynicalabsurdanceMember
Posts: 7,118Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
What about the Surf Bums?

Like Woa Dude
evac?
what's that Dude?

Fly out?

Woa` Dude, like, you got the change for that man?
Cos', i like am hangin' a dime big dude,

all i got man.

Even cheap seats have hit the premium gouge range and above.

It's a Bitch to be a Broke Dick in an Evac_Zone Man,,,

can you imagine,,,, like being in a Burning Jail Cell, and someone left you there,,, and took the key.

I am absolutely certain of this one thing: I'd Catch the next Sue-Nami back to the states.
03-16-2011 11:43 PM#157
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
no shït! At least I'd start walking aaah2.gif
03-16-2011 11:55 PM#158
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
The Nation

Quote: If the spent rods start to burn, huge amounts of radioactive material would be released into the atmosphere and would disperse across the Northern Hemisphere.

Unlike the reactors, spent fuel pools are not—repeat not—housed in any sort of hardened or sealed containment structures. Rather, the fuel rods are packed tightly together in pools of water that are often several stories above ground.

“With damaged [fuel rod] pools, we are talking about things that were never considered a credible threat,” said Alvarez.

Aileen Mioko Smith, director of Green Action Kyoto, met Fukushima plant and government officials in August 2010. “At the plant they seemed to dismiss our concerns about spent fuel pools,” said Mioko Smith. “At the prefecture, they were very worried but had no plan for how to deal with it.”

Remarkably, that is the norm—both in Japan and in the United States. Spent fuel pools at Fukushima are not equipped with backup water-circulation systems or backup generators for the water-circulation system they do have.

The exact same design flaw is in place at Vermont Yankee, a nuclear plant of the same GE design as the Fukushima reactors. At Fukushima each reactor has between 60 and 83 tons of spent fuel rods stored next to them. Vermont Yankee has a staggering 690 tons of spent fuel rods on site.

Nuclear safety activists in the United States have long known of these problems and have sought repeatedly to have them addressed. At least get backup generators for the pools, they implored. But at every turn the industry has pushed back, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has consistently ruled in favor of plant owners over local communities.

After 9/11 the issue of spent fuel rods again had momentary traction. Numerous citizen groups petitioned and pressured the NRC for enhanced protections of the pools. But the NRC deemed “the possibility of a terrorist attack...speculative and simply too far removed from the natural or expected consequences of agency action.” So nothing was done—not even the provision of backup water-circulation systems or emergency power-generation systems.

Don't place spent nuclear rods above the farking reactor in the first place.gaah.gif

Reeks of the cheap & Stupid option to me. Surly these rods could have been stored somewhere safer, rather that above the reactor itself, and this is standing operating procedure worldwide.damned.gif

İmage
03-17-2011 12:45 AM#159
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
I thought they placed spent fuel in deep mountain storages encased in led and concrete damned.gif What a nightmare
03-17-2011 03:19 AM#160
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
The situation at Japan's troubled Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant has slightly improved, although it still raises many questions, a source in the International Atomic Energy Agency has said.
"It seems that Japanese specialists have managed to solve the problem of water supply to reactors and their cooling. At the same time, the situation at the spent fuel storage of the No. 4 reactor remains a concern," the source said.

The IAEA source said it was unlikely that there was a serious meltdown of fuel rods inside the reactors.
Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said on Wednesday Fukushima's blast-hit units 1, 2 and 3 were being "successfully cooled" and radiation levels around the plant did not pose a health threat. Units 5 and 6, where temperatures have been rising since Tuesday, are also being cooled, he said.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110317/163046879.html
03-17-2011 02:19 PM#161
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Top US Officials: Japan Nuclear Reactor #4 Completely Breached, In Full Meltdown, Releasing Lethal Radiation

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/03...iles-8629/

Seems like so many conflicting reports
03-17-2011 02:30 PM#162
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
hug.gif Good morning Shadow! I see you made it 37.gif Sorry about that anti proxy thing...rofl.gif It's still in development at this point, I should not have tried it without running a test version for a period of time on my local machine.

Too many bugs, did strange things, banned 2 members, and kept everybody out 37.gif Thats not a very warm welcome.

To get back to the point, yes there is evidence 'o plenty the Japanese are cats in the nuclear litterbox right now covering up their radioactive butt slugs.

wonder.gif
03-17-2011 02:31 PM#163
Accidental StonerMember
Posts: 8,048Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Well...one thing is certain:

If this ends somehow, with the "international community" still intact,
guess which country will be high on the list for location of new plants...

A place with big land, few people, political stability, good infrastructure and a VERY stable seismology...


shït.
03-17-2011 02:37 PM#164
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
rofl.gif no biggy JR. hug.gif Gave Octo a shock yesterday though when she saw my skype message from the day before chuckle.gif

Quote:the Japanese are cats in the nuclear litterbox right now covering up their radioactive butt slugs

rofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gif what a good analogy
03-17-2011 02:40 PM#165
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
(03-17-2011 02:31 PM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  Well...one thing is certain:

If this ends somehow, with the "international community" still intact,
guess which country will be high on the list for location of new plants...

A place with big land, few people, political stability, good infrastructure and a VERY stable seismology...


shït.

sad2.gif On the upside, it's going to be a tough sell for any new facilities of this nature anywhere.
This is far from over.

wonder.gif
03-17-2011 02:41 PM#166
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Shadow hug.gif beercheer.gif


Quote:If this ends somehow, with the "international community" still intact,
guess which country will be high on the list for location of new plants...

A place with big land, few people, political stability, good infrastructure and a VERY stable seismology...

Very comforting thought AS slap.gifgaah.gif
03-17-2011 02:45 PM#167
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Octo! hug.gif cheers.gif

There's thorium, should have, could have, been used for clean safe nuclear fuel, problem is they can't make nukes out of it. So uranium was used instead.
03-17-2011 02:52 PM#168
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
uhhuh.gif I've been touting the benefits of thorium for a few years, it's all about money. Screw safety.
If that was an issue plants would not keep spent fuel rods in water tanks above the ğkkin' reactor. gaah.gif So ğkking stupid.

wonder.gif
03-17-2011 02:54 PM#169
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Quote:The IAEA source said it was unlikely that there was a serious meltdown of fuel rods inside the reactors.

The IAEA source isn't even in Japan, the IAEA has nobody in Japan. They're relying completly on what the Japanese gov tells them

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/vi...o_id=14323
03-17-2011 03:04 PM#170
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Can you imagine relying on any government to tell the truth 100% of the time? All one need do is look at history. Look at the track records governments have for covering things up, they cant be trusted.

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03-17-2011 03:09 PM#171
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Yup and the Japanese gov is more notorious than most for being stingy with the truth.
I think the best we can expect from them is whatever they is is happening is not what is happening.
03-17-2011 04:00 PM#172
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
new 5.8 quake on Japanese east coast. No tsunami warning
03-17-2011 04:47 PM#173
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: Hydrogen Explosion in #3 reactor UPDATE: FUKUSHIMA 3 MOX FUELED PLANT ON MELTDOWN!
Rumors the US gov has seized all supplies of KI

Quote:U.S. Supplies of potassium iodide pills are taking a huge hit as people flock to the stores in search of protection from possible nuclear fallout.

A number of stores across the west coast are reporting that they are completely sold out. And a pharmacist at a Walgreen’s in California told us that they would not be getting anymore because the government has seized all supplies.

http://offgridsurvival.com/potassiumiodidesupplies/

True? dunno.gif Liquid iodine works as well I understand, put a little on your skin and your body determines absorption rate.
03-17-2011 04:51 PM#174
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: Hydrogen Explosion in #3 reactor UPDATE: FUKUSHIMA 3 MOX FUELED PLANT ON MELTDOWN!
I don't think thats even available here. When it was found baking soda had anti cancer properties their was an effort to ban it. The EU is about healthcare as long as big pharma gets their money.
You damn near need a prescription for hydrogen peroxide here. They ask us what we are going to do with it when we buy it. ğkkin' morons.

wonder.gif
03-17-2011 05:08 PM#175
bohicaMember
Posts: 1,625Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
'I thought they placed spent fuel in deep mountain storages encased in led and concrete. What a nightmare"

It's gotten so bad that usually sane people have forgotten their proper word selection.
damn foreigners............

There's plenty of room for all God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes!
03-17-2011 05:10 PM#176
JayRodneyⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts: 30,601Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
13.gif 37.gif

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03-17-2011 05:10 PM#177
OctoMother Superior
Posts: 42,254Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
vic.gif

edit: oh and Bohica, I merged this thread with yours so I didn't freakin delete it :chcukle:
03-17-2011 05:21 PM#178
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
IAEA Alert Log

17th March
Injuries or Contamination at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant

Based on a press release from the Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary dated 16 March 2011, the IAEA can confirm the following information about human injuries or contamination at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

Please note that this list provides a snapshot of the latest information made available to the IAEA by Japanese authorities. Given the fluid situation at the plant, this information is subject to change.



Injuries

* 2 TEPCO employees have minor injuries
* 2 subcontractor employees are injured, one person suffered broken legs and one person whose condition is unknown was transported to the hospital
* 2 people are missing
* 2 people were ’suddenly taken ill’
* 2 TEPCO employees were transported to hospital during the time of donning respiratory protection in the control centre
* 4 people (2 TEPCO employees, 2 subcontractor employees) sustained minor injuries due to the explosion at unit 1 on 11 March and were transported to the hospital
* 11 people (4 TEPCO employees, 3 subcontractor employees and 4 Japanese civil defense workers) were injured due to the explosion at unit 3 on 14 March



Radiological Contamination

* 17 people (9 TEPCO employees, 8 subcontractor employees) suffered from deposition of radioactive material to their faces, but were not taken to the hospital because of low levels of exposure
* One worker suffered from significant exposure during ‘vent work,’ and was transported to an offsite center
* 2 policemen who were exposed to radiation were decontaminated
* Firemen who were exposed to radiation are under investigation



The IAEA continues to seek information from Japanese authorities about all aspects of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
03-17-2011 05:33 PM#179
UpāsakaMember
Posts: 1,448Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
‘Fukushima 50’ risk lives to prevent meltdown

We do not know their names, their faces, their families or their personal stories. Nobody really does. They are strangers, in a faraway land, doing the unthinkable.

In Japan they have a name: The Fukushima 50. A coterie of nuclear plant employees — some reports indicate 50, others suggest four working rotations of 50 — who stayed behind while 700 of their co-workers were evacuated from the stricken Fukushima-Daiichi facility on the Japanese coast.

Five have been killed. Two are missing. Twenty-one have been injured in a struggle where, in the words of Japan’s Prime Minister Naoto Kan, “retreat is unthinkable.”

The men understand the stakes. They know there is no turning back. One worker told a departing colleague he was prepared to die — that it was his job. Another informed his wife he wouldn’t be coming home anytime soon.

And so they battle on, a weary bunch of managers, operators, technicians, soldiers, firemen, amid rumours, worst-case scenarios and startling television footage.

They are mid- and low-level employees. They are men with no names, cast into extraordinary circumstances, battling fires, explosions, the threat of explosion and the invisible menace: dangerously high levels of radiation no protective suit can deflect, and one that threatens to seep into the atmosphere if they fail..... continues

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Fukushi...story.html
03-17-2011 05:37 PM#180
ShadowMrs. Buckwheat
Posts: 13,527Joined: Feb 2011
RE: UPDATE 8! High radiation levels detected 20 km. from plant!
Nobody ever accused the Japanese of lacking courage. I'd stay too.
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