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03-05-2017 05:42 PM#31
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
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03-05-2017 06:24 PM#32
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
I actually asked the same question as the OP to some of my fellow churchgoers and I was scorned for even asking the question or pointing out where Jesus refers to God in the second person.
03-05-2017 06:41 PM#33
OctoMother Superior
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
I didn't know you were a churchgoer. Do you go every Sunday?
03-05-2017 06:47 PM#34
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
Not any more, it was a very long time ago, but I wanted to show that asking those types of questions are not tolerated by those who follow what they are told to believe, blindly. There really is no outlet for discussion for these types of questions.
03-05-2017 06:54 PM#35
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-05-2017 06:24 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I actually asked the same question as the OP to some of my fellow churchgoers and I was scorned for even asking the question or pointing out where Jesus refers to God in the second person.

Really? damned.gif Yeshua NEVER claimed he was God.
That's one of the many reasons I stay away from organized religion.

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03-05-2017 07:00 PM#36
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-05-2017 06:47 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Not any more, it was a very long time ago, but I wanted to show that asking those types of questions are not tolerated by those who follow what they are told to believe, blindly. There really is no outlet for discussion for these types of questions.

Not in church at least. They tend to not be as open minded as they'd like to think.
03-05-2017 08:43 PM#37
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-05-2017 07:00 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-05-2017 06:47 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Not any more, it was a very long time ago, but I wanted to show that asking those types of questions are not tolerated by those who follow what they are told to believe, blindly. There really is no outlet for discussion for these types of questions.

Not in church at least. They tend to not be as open minded as they'd like to think.

It also depends on which religion and how strong the person follows what is preached to them. I tend to think for myself and have always challenged authority when it was contradictory or seemed odd.
03-05-2017 11:55 PM#38
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
This question represents one of the many squabbles of the early Christian church. You are far from the first to ask this question.
The matter directly related to your question was significant enough to cause Constantine to call together the First Council of Nicaea and develop the Nicene Creed, which states that Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father" or, in other words, it established the doctrine of consubstantiality.
03-06-2017 06:59 AM#39
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-05-2017 11:55 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  This question represents one of the many squabbles of the early Christian church. You are far from the first to ask this question.
The matter directly related to your question was significant enough to cause Constantine to call together the First Council of Nicaea and develop the Nicene Creed, which states that Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father" or, in other words, it established the doctrine of consubstantiality.

Yeah! Let's smooth out the waters. Let's confuse everyone even more. ğck !
03-06-2017 01:16 PM#40
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
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03-06-2017 01:57 PM#41
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-05-2017 11:55 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  This question represents one of the many squabbles of the early Christian church. You are far from the first to ask this question.
The matter directly related to your question was significant enough to cause Constantine to call together the First Council of Nicaea and develop the Nicene Creed, which states that Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father" or, in other words, it established the doctrine of consubstantiality.

This is clearly the op talking to himself.

No one here buys what you are selling.
03-06-2017 07:11 PM#42
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-06-2017 01:57 PM)White Ribbon Wrote:  
(03-05-2017 11:55 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  This question represents one of the many squabbles of the early Christian church. You are far from the first to ask this question.
The matter directly related to your question was significant enough to cause Constantine to call together the First Council of Nicaea and develop the Nicene Creed, which states that Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father" or, in other words, it established the doctrine of consubstantiality.


This is clearly the op talking to himself.

No one here buys what you are selling.

lmao.gif Obviously. Why don't these people go to a religious forum to play?
03-07-2017 02:26 PM#43
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-01-2017 10:27 PM)holier-than-thou Wrote:  “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Christians say Jesus was God, yet he clearly makes a distinction. What do you think?

When you understand that 'what Jesus said' was only what the ones next to Him thought how He said it and they wrote it down ......................... then you might have understood something.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
03-07-2017 02:36 PM#44
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-06-2017 07:11 PM)Stiggy Wrote:  
(03-06-2017 01:57 PM)White Ribbon Wrote:  
(03-05-2017 11:55 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  This question represents one of the many squabbles of the early Christian church. You are far from the first to ask this question.
The matter directly related to your question was significant enough to cause Constantine to call together the First Council of Nicaea and develop the Nicene Creed, which states that Jesus Christ is "of one substance with the Father" or, in other words, it established the doctrine of consubstantiality.


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This is clearly the op talking to himself.

No one here buys what you are selling.

lmao.gif Obviously. Why don't these people go to a religious forum to play?

They enjoy being crucified too much, like Jesus. sadomasochists.
03-07-2017 05:07 PM#45
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-07-2017 02:26 PM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  
(03-01-2017 10:27 PM)holier-than-thou Wrote:  “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Christians say Jesus was God, yet he clearly makes a distinction. What do you think?

When you understand that 'what Jesus said' was only what the ones next to Him thought how He said it and they wrote it down ......................... then you might have understood something.

Yes, that is actually very wise, in that, whatever Jesus said would have been understood in context to the events/experiences of that time.
03-07-2017 05:45 PM#46
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-07-2017 05:07 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 02:26 PM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  
(03-01-2017 10:27 PM)holier-than-thou Wrote:  “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Christians say Jesus was God, yet he clearly makes a distinction. What do you think?

When you understand that 'what Jesus said' was only what the ones next to Him thought how He said it and they wrote it down ......................... then you might have understood something.

Yes, that is actually very wise, in that, whatever Jesus said would have been understood in context to the events/experiences of that time.

And having said that, I myself also fell for it, I wrote 'they wrote it down' and that's very assuming. The point is that interpreting or quoting someone 100% accurately is almost impossible. Then imagine something is passed on time after time how it all turns upside down. It is known the Matthew and Luke were literate, a tax collector and physician, but there is nothing that indicates that the other two evangelists could even write. Even so, for a very long time, people made a decent living off of writing for other people, anybody could pay a scribe to write anything, and that is another twister. So I guess I better reason out the probabilities instead of making assumptions.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
03-07-2017 05:50 PM#47
UniqueStrangerArt in my heart
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RE: What do you think Jesus meant by all this?
(03-07-2017 05:45 PM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 05:07 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 02:26 PM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  
(03-01-2017 10:27 PM)holier-than-thou Wrote:  “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Christians say Jesus was God, yet he clearly makes a distinction. What do you think?

When you understand that 'what Jesus said' was only what the ones next to Him thought how He said it and they wrote it down ......................... then you might have understood something.

Yes, that is actually very wise, in that, whatever Jesus said would have been understood in context to the events/experiences of that time.

And having said that, I myself also fell for it, I wrote 'they wrote it down' and that's very assuming. The point is that interpreting or quoting someone 100% accurately is almost impossible. Then imagine something is passed on time after time how it all turns upside down. It is known the Matthew and Luke were literate, a tax collector and physician, but there is nothing that indicates that the other two evangelists could even write. Even so, for a very long time, people made a decent living off of writing for other people, anybody could pay a scribe to write anything, and that is another twister. So I guess I better reason out the probabilities instead of making assumptions.

It appears that some of Jesus' disciples may have been able to read and write.

http://www.apologeticsguy.com/2016/10/je...-peasants/
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