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A look at extreme survival (necro-cannabalism)
06-27-2016, 05:44 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I recall reading a book about this plane crash and survival (72 days in the Andes Mountains) story in the 70's, but I always wondered how they could bring themselves to eat human flesh. Although, I recall reading that one woman died because she refused to eat human flesh; a religiously based decision as I recall. The dominant religion in Uruguay, then and, now is Roman Catholicism.

Quote:Cannibalism is when you kill someone, so technically this is what is known as anthropophagy. I’ve had these discussions for 40 years. I don’t care. We had to eat these dead bodies, and that was it. The flesh had protein and fat, which we needed, like cow meat. I was also used to medical procedures so it was easier for me to make the first cut. The decision to accept it intellectually is only one step, though. The next step is to actually do it. And that was very tough. Your mouth doesn’t want to open because you feel so miserable and sad about what you have to do.

My main issue was that I was invading the privacy of my friends: raping their dignity by invading their bodies. But then I thought, if I were killed I would feel proud that my body could be used for others to survive. I feel that I shared a piece of my friends not only materially but spiritually because their will to live was transmitted to us through their flesh. We made a pact that, if we died, we would be happy to put our bodies to the service of the rest of the team.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/...29692322=1

Quote:Murdering someone in order to cannibalize him (homicidal cannibalism) is undeniably wrong. But what about cannibalizing someone who is already dead (necro-cannibalism) in order to prevent starvation? This is not an entirely hypothetical question, as “survival cannibalism” has indeed occurred. Those who have resorted to cannibalism to stave off starvation include the Donner party in 1846 and the survivors of a 1972 plane crash in the Andes. However, given the Bible’s wholly negative portrayal of cannibalism, it would seem that self-preservation cannot justify such barbarism. Even in the direst and most desperate circumstances, cannibalism should not be a consideration.

In summary, while Scripture gives no explicit command against cannibalism, from the beginning (Genesis 1:26-27) God made it clear that mankind is unique and distinct from the animal kingdom. Mankind, created in God’s image, has a value and honor above that of animals. The Old Testament closely associates cannibalism with the final stages of judgment from God, thus marking it as a loathsome and evil practice.
06-27-2016, 05:59 PM #2
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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For god sake, one scan only imagine how horrific an experience that would be.
Prions are another issue, those that lived my end up with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and that usually ends things quickly.

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06-27-2016, 06:03 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Yes, reading about what they had to endure is nothing compared to living through it.

Quote:REPORTER
I will never forget the day when I went to the press conference to hear the story of the survivors of the Andes mountain...It’s just amazing how they survived. To be honest, I first thought how immoral the people were for eating human flesh but then as I heard their story, I realized that that was their only choice. If I was in that situation, I would’ve done the same thing and I feel embarrassed for writing a news article on how God should forgive them for what they did. Of course I still believe it wasn’t just but how else would’ve the people survived? A person’s life is more important than being ethical. Since I am a reporter, I didn’t show that I was touched by what the people said during the press conference but it really did shock me. I wonder how scary and harsh it would have been for the survivors. What they had to go through would not be possible to describe in words. I wish I could deliver the truth to the newspapers but since I need to earn a living, I need to do what the public wants to hear, that the survivors are cannibals. I’m sorry, but I need to do what I need to do.

http://andessurvivors.weebly.com/monologues.html

It is interesting to me that the families of those that perished and were eaten bore no ill will.
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"When we came back, the families of the persons that died were incredibly supportive to us, which I really treasure,” he told the magazine. “In these kinds of situations it’s not how you survive but why you survive.”

http://globalnews.ca/news/2542386/andes-...nnibalism/
06-27-2016, 06:17 PM #4
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I so fkn hope I never have to find out what I'd do


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06-27-2016, 06:21 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Octo Wrote:  I so fkn hope I never have to find out what I'd do


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Amen.
06-27-2016, 06:22 PM #6
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(06-27-2016, 05:59 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  For god sake, one scan only imagine how horrific an experience that would be.
Prions are another issue, those that lived my end up with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and that usually ends things quickly.

Even being forgiven by the families of those eaten, the doctor still bears torment (he says).
06-27-2016, 06:35 PM #7
Screaming Yellow Zonkers Member
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I read the book at the time. It was hard for them, but they had to kind of mentally detach themselves from it all, or die.
Many original survivors did die later on.
They made a movie about it, which I also saw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes...t_disaster

There are parts of that book that remain with me today.... Odd details that just left such an impression...


People compare it to the Donner party, but The plane victims endured sub zero cold and avalanches and trauma .

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06-27-2016, 06:40 PM #8
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-27-2016, 06:35 PM)Screaming Yellow Zonkers Wrote:  I read the book at the time. It was hard for them, but they had to kind of mentally detach themselves from it all, or die.
Many original survivors did die later on.
They made a movie about it, which I also saw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes...t_disaster

There are parts of that book that remain with me today.... Odd details that just left such an impression...


People compare it to the Donner party, but The plane victims endured sub zero cold and avalanches and trauma .

I read the book back in the 70's, in my early 20's, many parts of their horror still remains with me too. Especially how none of them could convince a woman to eat - she chose starvation instead.
06-27-2016, 06:54 PM #9
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(06-27-2016, 06:40 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-27-2016, 06:35 PM)Screaming Yellow Zonkers Wrote:  I read the book at the time. It was hard for them, but they had to kind of mentally detach themselves from it all, or die.
Many original survivors did die later on.
They made a movie about it, which I also saw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes...t_disaster

There are parts of that book that remain with me today.... Odd details that just left such an impression...


People compare it to the Donner party, but The plane victims endured sub zero cold and avalanches and trauma .

I read the book back in the 70's, in my early 20's, many parts of their horror still remains with me too. Especially how none of them could convince a woman to eat - she chose starvation instead.

For me it was odd things. Like the survivor that had part ofof his intestines hanging out after the crash. They cut it off. He lived, but then died later in the avalanche. It was so... Heart wrenching.
Then the part when they were walking to civilization, and one guy took his first bowel movement outside of the sub zero, and he couldn't go. He had to shove fingers up his butt and manually pull the stool out. Small, hard rocks....
I just never forgot this imagery

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06-27-2016, 07:21 PM #10
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-27-2016, 06:54 PM)Screaming Yellow Zonkers Wrote:  
(06-27-2016, 06:40 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-27-2016, 06:35 PM)Screaming Yellow Zonkers Wrote:  I read the book at the time. It was hard for them, but they had to kind of mentally detach themselves from it all, or die.
Many original survivors did die later on.
They made a movie about it, which I also saw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes...t_disaster

There are parts of that book that remain with me today.... Odd details that just left such an impression...


People compare it to the Donner party, but The plane victims endured sub zero cold and avalanches and trauma .

I read the book back in the 70's, in my early 20's, many parts of their horror still remains with me too. Especially how none of them could convince a woman to eat - she chose starvation instead.

For me it was odd things. Like the survivor that had part ofof his intestines hanging out after the crash. They cut it off. He lived, but then died later in the avalanche. It was so... Heart wrenching.
Then the part when they were walking to civilization, and one guy took his first bowel movement outside of the sub zero, and he couldn't go. He had to shove fingers up his butt and manually pull the stool out. Small, hard rocks....
I just never forgot this imagery

The detailed descriptions were indeed graphic.

06-27-2016, 07:52 PM #11
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im thinkin i really dont need to look at that.

lol

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06-27-2016, 08:46 PM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-27-2016, 07:52 PM)Coolchick Wrote:  im thinkin i really dont need to look at that.

lol

There is nothing graphic to see in the vid, all the graphic details were in the book. The vid is of a survivor who explains to us why he chose life over death.
06-27-2016, 09:19 PM #13
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It's a harrowing survival story for certain.
People will find a way to survive if at all possible.
It's human nature.

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06-27-2016, 09:31 PM #14
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-27-2016, 09:19 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's a harrowing survival story for certain.
People will find a way to survive if at all possible.
It's human nature.

I guess what has always nagged at me about this was the religious woman choosing death via starvation rather than to eat human flesh. Her faith was stronger than human nature.
06-28-2016, 02:12 AM #15
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I remember that movie.. Did they walk to freedom? Don't remember the end..

I guess we all would if we had to, no food for a week and you would eat anything..



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