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American research: Finland should join Nato to avert the risk of a Russian invasion
03-25-2014, 11:34 AM #31
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(03-24-2014, 03:29 PM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  Tell me if i'm wrong,so basically Russian and Swedish kings and queens created a country called Finland for no other reason other than as a buffer zone,a defensive wall,a human (the people trapped in the middle during conflict) shield,an area and a space to buy time for and during war?!

No, the finnish country existed, but finnish State didn't. In fact the swedes "ruled" around the coast line, and the inside country was forest and lakes where the finns were. There was one road which cross the country called "Blue road" (sininen tie, or kuningas vegen or someting, I'm not sure how to spell correctly) from north west to south east. Imo swedes was cruel to the finns, used them almost as slaves. And is no wander the result of this epic Swe/Ru war.

Quote:Yes Russia took the province of Karelia for compensation, and you're right, I believe Finland is the EU country most dependent on Russian energy.
OK, half of Karelia (or Karjala in finnish -again I'm not sure how to spell correctly). But Stalin IMO took Karelia for strategic advantage only. The old finnish border was just few km away from S.Petersburg. (My favorite finnish beer is Karjala, next to Lapin kulta/Lapland's gold :))
Finns are beautiful people with unique language and life style. They are fussed with the nature and Finland/Suomi is the most ecological country I've ever been (I've been in many countries around). I love that country and I'll always will. And I hope that they'll preserve their independence (Nato mean slavery) and uniqueness in the future as well.
:)

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03-25-2014, 12:06 PM #32
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Karjala is actually pretty decent beer, but I prefer Sandals. Beer is so expensive here, a lot of it is being brought in via Estonia.
Finland has damn near priced themselves out of the market. Last time we went to Germany, I found that a six pack costs the same as one beer in Finland. The tax here is over 100% and ridiculously out of line with the rest of the EU.

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03-25-2014, 12:45 PM #33
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(03-25-2014, 12:06 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Karjala is actually pretty decent beer, but I prefer Sandals. Beer is so expensive here, a lot of it is being brought in via Estonia.
Finland has damn near priced themselves out of the market. Last time we went to Germany, I found that a six pack costs the same as one beer in Finland. The tax here is over 100% and ridiculously out of line with the rest of the EU.

a packet of cigs are $20 to $25 here.. thats expensive.. in vietnam the expensive tourist price is $1 for Marlboro..
03-25-2014, 01:48 PM #34
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03-25-2014, 07:00 PM #35
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(03-25-2014, 12:06 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Karjala is actually pretty decent beer, but I prefer Sandals. Beer is so expensive here, a lot of it is being brought in via Estonia.
Finland has damn near priced themselves out of the market. Last time we went to Germany, I found that a six pack costs the same as one beer in Finland. The tax here is over 100% and ridiculously out of line with the rest of the EU.

I think there is a reason for the expensive alcohol/cigarettes. Finland is huge long country with small (relatively) population. Think about roads, how much cost per km. Taxes are not enough to build and maintain that infrastructure. And again think for prices - food is relatively cheep compeering to Sweden or Norway (not to Germany though).
What I think can be improved in Finland is better marketing abroad of finnish goods, most of which is very high quality.

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03-25-2014, 07:14 PM #36
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Finland is a logistical nightmare for sure, it's basically an island. Everything that doesn't go to Russia is shipped by sea obviously and the new EU sulphur directive is not going to help. Tobacco isn't as expensive here yet as in most western countries it seems but alcohol sure is. The alcohol tax is astronomical and tax on fuel is some 75% I think.

Quote:The directive restricts the sulphur content of fuel used in the shipping industry to 0.1 percent in the waters off Finland.

The Baltic Sea is classified as a Sulphur Emission Control Area under the directive, which means stricter limits than for waters in southern Europe.

The new limit for the Baltic Sea, set at a tenth of current levels, will come into force in 2015. In EU waters outside the Sulphur Emission Control Areas, a limit of 0.5 percent will apply from 2020.

Although Finnish industry has criticised the directive for the costs it will impose on exporters, proponents say that it will save tens of thousands of lives.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/eu_parliament_appr...ve/6290175
03-25-2014, 07:24 PM #37
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Indeed, there are logistics problems, and I agree Finnish made products are superior quality... and then you have Nokia, a great product which took a wrong turn along the way courtesy bad management.

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