From a Post at LoP:

The seven Papal names used since 1798

1. Twelve Pope's using the name Pius
2. Thirteen Pope's using the name Leo
3. Sixteen Pope's using the name Gregory
4. Fifteen Pope's using the name Benedict (while Benedict XVI remains, but there will be only 14 once he changes his name)
5. Twenty One Pope's using the name John
6. Six Pope's using the name Paul
7. Two Pope's using the name John Paul


Now count them up name by name:


1. Pius 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78
2. Leo 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13 = 91
3. Gregory 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16 = 136
4. Benedict 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14 = 105
5. John 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+1​7+18+19+20+21 = 231
6. Paul 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21
7. John Paul 1+2 = 3

78 + 91 + 136 + 105 + 231 + 21 + 3 = 665
as of John Paul II,

Meaning, the next pope will be a new papal name (which by definition has a count of 1), making a count of 1 + 665 = 666 man

However, Benedict XVI causes the count to run over 666 and, in fact, as of the writing of this paragraph (April 29, 2005), the count total of the seven Papal names used since 1798 is 680. Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count because they skipped Benedict X, so he is not the sixteenth pope in the Benedict series, but actually is the fifteenth pope in that series.

Does this mean the prophecy is wrong? No. How can that be when the count is over 666? The Bible tells us in the original Greek that the eighth comes out of the seven. He is not said to be a head or a mountain, and Greek experts say that the grammar precludes him being either a head or a mountain. Therefore, to be the eighth of a series, he must be the eighth king. The seven kings each have names that they are associated with, so the word "king" represents the names of these kings. The eighth king also has a name which the word "king" is associated with. The only logical conclusion then is that the eighth king will come out of the seven by starting out with a name from among the seven, and then changes names to a unique name never before used in Papal history. This name will reveal his true character in some way, for names are associated with character in the Bible. The count total of 680 will then work like this:

John Paul II adds 2 to the count total which then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count total which now equals 680.

Benedict XVI changes his papal name, so we subtract 15 from the count total. The count total then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI’s new name will be a new Papal name never before used in Papal history, this new name will add a count of 1 to the count total. Then 665 + 1 = 666.

Or mathematically:

Papal Name Count Added Count Total
John Paul II 2 663 + 2 = 665
Benedict XVI 15 665 + 15 = 680
Subtract for removing Benedict XVI name -15 680 - 15 = 665
Add 1 for a new Papal name 1 665 + 1 = 666

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And it's the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 that causes all to take the mark; not the antichrist, as prophecy movies portray.

Yeah, this pope is going to cause a lot of problems for Protestants.

Thanks for reminding me I have math homework for tomorrow,

The Oxyrhynchus Papyrus is the oldest known copy of the Book of Revelation. Close examination of this fragment indicates the mark of the beast is 616, not 666. If the mark is, cryptically, Hebrew letters, and not Greek, then the numeric value is 436.

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/616-not-666/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

Not worried.

(03-14-2013, 01:33 AM)Lisa Boxx Wrote:  From a Post at LoP:

The seven Papal names used since 1798

1. Twelve Pope's using the name Pius
2. Thirteen Pope's using the name Leo
3. Sixteen Pope's using the name Gregory
4. Fifteen Pope's using the name Benedict (while Benedict XVI remains, but there will be only 14 once he changes his name)
5. Twenty One Pope's using the name John
6. Six Pope's using the name Paul
7. Two Pope's using the name John Paul


Now count them up name by name:


1. Pius 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78
2. Leo 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13 = 91
3. Gregory 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16 = 136
4. Benedict 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14 = 105
5. John 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+1​7+18+19+20+21 = 231
6. Paul 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21
7. John Paul 1+2 = 3

78 + 91 + 136 + 105 + 231 + 21 + 3 = 665
as of John Paul II,

Meaning, the next pope will be a new papal name (which by definition has a count of 1), making a count of 1 + 665 = 666 man

However, Benedict XVI causes the count to run over 666 and, in fact, as of the writing of this paragraph (April 29, 2005), the count total of the seven Papal names used since 1798 is 680. Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count because they skipped Benedict X, so he is not the sixteenth pope in the Benedict series, but actually is the fifteenth pope in that series.

Does this mean the prophecy is wrong? No. How can that be when the count is over 666? The Bible tells us in the original Greek that the eighth comes out of the seven. He is not said to be a head or a mountain, and Greek experts say that the grammar precludes him being either a head or a mountain. Therefore, to be the eighth of a series, he must be the eighth king. The seven kings each have names that they are associated with, so the word "king" represents the names of these kings. The eighth king also has a name which the word "king" is associated with. The only logical conclusion then is that the eighth king will come out of the seven by starting out with a name from among the seven, and then changes names to a unique name never before used in Papal history. This name will reveal his true character in some way, for names are associated with character in the Bible. The count total of 680 will then work like this:

John Paul II adds 2 to the count total which then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count total which now equals 680.

Benedict XVI changes his papal name, so we subtract 15 from the count total. The count total then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI’s new name will be a new Papal name never before used in Papal history, this new name will add a count of 1 to the count total. Then 665 + 1 = 666.

Or mathematically:

Papal Name Count Added Count Total
John Paul II 2 663 + 2 = 665
Benedict XVI 15 665 + 15 = 680
Subtract for removing Benedict XVI name -15 680 - 15 = 665
Add 1 for a new Papal name 1 665 + 1 = 666

---
And it's the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 that causes all to take the mark; not the antichrist, as prophecy movies portray.

Yeah, this pope is going to cause a lot of problems for Protestants.

Dude I didnt know you were a woman

We're all bros here.

(03-14-2013, 01:39 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  The Oxyrhynchus Papyrus is the oldest known copy of the Book of Revelation. Close examination of this fragment indicates the mark of the beast is 616, not 666. If the mark is, cryptically, Hebrew letters, and not Greek, then the numeric value is 436.

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/616-not-666/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

Not worried.

Yeah. 666 is the number of the name of the beast. My post probably sums it up right.

I worry about going with 616, cause I try to stay away from what they call "extra Biblical theology."

But I still love ya.

(03-14-2013, 01:42 AM)I⊥∀NIW∩LLIʞ Wrote:  

(03-14-2013, 01:33 AM)Lisa Boxx Wrote:  From a Post at LoP:

The seven Papal names used since 1798

1. Twelve Pope's using the name Pius
2. Thirteen Pope's using the name Leo
3. Sixteen Pope's using the name Gregory
4. Fifteen Pope's using the name Benedict (while Benedict XVI remains, but there will be only 14 once he changes his name)
5. Twenty One Pope's using the name John
6. Six Pope's using the name Paul
7. Two Pope's using the name John Paul


Now count them up name by name:


1. Pius 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78
2. Leo 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13 = 91
3. Gregory 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16 = 136
4. Benedict 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14 = 105
5. John 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+1​7+18+19+20+21 = 231
6. Paul 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21
7. John Paul 1+2 = 3

78 + 91 + 136 + 105 + 231 + 21 + 3 = 665
as of John Paul II,

Meaning, the next pope will be a new papal name (which by definition has a count of 1), making a count of 1 + 665 = 666 man

However, Benedict XVI causes the count to run over 666 and, in fact, as of the writing of this paragraph (April 29, 2005), the count total of the seven Papal names used since 1798 is 680. Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count because they skipped Benedict X, so he is not the sixteenth pope in the Benedict series, but actually is the fifteenth pope in that series.

Does this mean the prophecy is wrong? No. How can that be when the count is over 666? The Bible tells us in the original Greek that the eighth comes out of the seven. He is not said to be a head or a mountain, and Greek experts say that the grammar precludes him being either a head or a mountain. Therefore, to be the eighth of a series, he must be the eighth king. The seven kings each have names that they are associated with, so the word "king" represents the names of these kings. The eighth king also has a name which the word "king" is associated with. The only logical conclusion then is that the eighth king will come out of the seven by starting out with a name from among the seven, and then changes names to a unique name never before used in Papal history. This name will reveal his true character in some way, for names are associated with character in the Bible. The count total of 680 will then work like this:

John Paul II adds 2 to the count total which then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI adds 15 to the count total which now equals 680.

Benedict XVI changes his papal name, so we subtract 15 from the count total. The count total then stands at 665.

Benedict XVI’s new name will be a new Papal name never before used in Papal history, this new name will add a count of 1 to the count total. Then 665 + 1 = 666.

Or mathematically:

Papal Name Count Added Count Total
John Paul II 2 663 + 2 = 665
Benedict XVI 15 665 + 15 = 680
Subtract for removing Benedict XVI name -15 680 - 15 = 665
Add 1 for a new Papal name 1 665 + 1 = 666

---
And it's the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 that causes all to take the mark; not the antichrist, as prophecy movies portray.

Yeah, this pope is going to cause a lot of problems for Protestants.

Dude I didnt know you were a woman

Well, Octo's avatar showed me the beauty of being a woman.
So, I thot I'd give it a try.
It really rocks!

(03-14-2013, 01:47 AM)Lisa Boxx Wrote:  

(03-14-2013, 01:39 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  The Oxyrhynchus Papyrus is the oldest known copy of the Book of Revelation. Close examination of this fragment indicates the mark of the beast is 616, not 666. If the mark is, cryptically, Hebrew letters, and not Greek, then the numeric value is 436.

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/616-not-666/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

Not worried.

Yeah. 666 is the number of the name of the beast. My post probably sums it up right.

I worry about going with 616, cause I try to stay away from what they call "extra Biblical theology."

But I still love ya.

nobody here is going to judge you or bash you because of your beliefs this is not LoP and hardtruth aint here.

I did present evidence. The council of Nicea, like the modern day church messed up everything. Revelation was an interpretation of the book Daniel. A far more reliable source.

(03-14-2013, 01:48 AM)Lisa Boxx Wrote:  Well, Octo's avatar showed me the beauty of being a woman.
So, I thot I'd give it a try.
It really rocks!

Good for you.

(03-14-2013, 01:52 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  I did present evidence. The council of Nicea, like the modern day church messed up everything. Revelation was an interpretation of the book Daniel. A far more reliable source.

council of nicea did not deal with issues regarding which books were part of the NT its a myth. they dealt with rather or not jesus was god or a created being.

Linkies or stinkies?

(03-14-2013, 02:02 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Linkies or stinkies?

i have had this debate many times usually it does not end well so i quit debating religion

http://carm.org/myths-about-the-council-of-nicea

Not ending well is kinda' putting it mildly.
Just best to agree to disagree on some things, I normally would not have gone even this far but... My birthday n' shit.

(03-14-2013, 02:20 AM)I⊥∀NIW∩LLIʞ Wrote:  

(03-14-2013, 02:02 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Linkies or stinkies?

i have had this debate many times usually it does not end well so i quit debating religion

http://carm.org/myths-about-the-council-of-nicea

Oh man don't I know it. Used to have this discussion with my brother all the time about God, Life, Love and Everything. He seemed to have had a lightbulb moment, but then he went on to go from being a paramedic and fireman to a minister. I love him and all, but Jesus Christ.