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Australia Sees Spike in Gun Crime Despite Outright Ban
11-12-2015, 05:34 AM #1
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Firearms black market in the island nation bigger than previously thought

Australia has seen a rise in gun crime over the past decade despite imposing an outright ban on many firearms in the late 1990s.

Charges for crimes involving firearms have increased dramatically across the island nation’s localities in the past decade according to an analysis of government statistics conducted by The New Daily. It found that gun crimes have spiked dramatically in the Australian states of Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia, and Tasmania. In Victoria, pistol-related offenses doubled over the last decade. In New South Wales, they tripled. The other states saw smaller but still significant increases.

Experts said that the country’s 1996 ban on most semi-automatic firearms has actually driven criminals to those guns. “The ban on semi-automatics created demand by criminals for other types of guns,” professor Philip Alpers of the University of Sydney told The New Daily. “The criminal’s gun of choice today is the semi-automatic pistol.”

Gun control advocates in the country insist that the problem is too little regulation. They said, while most modern firearms are illegal and all legal firearms owners must obtain licenses from the government, ammunition is not controlled tightly enough.

“There is very little regulation of ammunition purchase,” Samantha Lee, a spokesperson for Gun Control Australia, told the publication. “In most jurisdictions you can purchase ammunition because you have a firearm licence and there is no restriction on the type you can purchase – so if you own a rifle you can still purchase ammunition for a handgun.”

“Gun enthusiasts are quite right when they say guns don’t kill–it’s the bullets that kill,”
Read more: freebeacon.com

One can not blame guns for killing people. They are tools. You can't blame a shovel for digging a ditch.

USA...Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/0...c-unaware/

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swi...hat-works/

People have been hoodwinked into a non existent paradigm. This happens due to lack of education, and lies from those at the top of the food chain.
Thought history look what happens when guns are taken away...

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To those that disregard facts, enjoy your false sense of security that you gave up your freedoms for.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”
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11-12-2015, 05:48 AM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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There are other things at play when it comes to gun violence. If you look at death by shooting in a Nordic comparison, (Finland being the most armed country of them all), here's the outcome in the biggest cities:

2013 - sept 2015:

Stockholm (Sweden): 21
Göteborg (Sweden): 17
Malmö (Sweden): 7
Köpenhamn (Denmark): 6
Oslo (Norway): 3
Helsinki (Finland): 2
11-12-2015, 05:59 AM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

Canada is a bit lower than Switzerland in regards to gun violence.

From the Swiss article above:

"Social conditions are fundamental in deterring crime,” says Peter Squires, professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Brighton in Great Britain, who has studied gun violence in different countries and concluded that a “culture of support” rather than focus on individualism, can deter mass killings.

But isn't society moving towards individualism?
11-12-2015, 06:02 AM #4
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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The stats speak for themselves. It's enough to make self proclaimed progressives, liberals and the dreadful SJW crowd pissy enough to beat the living hell out of anyone who confronts them with real data.
The truth sucks, so why not cling to the noble lie to substantiate a narrow minded false paradigm grounded only in their mind.
It's a religion, it's snake oil, much like climate change, it has absolutely nothing to do with fact.
Tis all matter of faith. Fuck statistics.

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11-12-2015, 06:19 AM #5
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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To clarify my position, I'm liberal as hell in regard to social matters and conservative as can possibly be when it comes to spending and despise obfuscation of facts to fit the agenda of the day. As a centrist, I'm left out in the cold by both the left and right.

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11-12-2015, 01:31 PM #6
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Don't use mass shootings as the standard. That is very misleading. You don't need a gun to commit mass murder. Show the mass murder charts including ANY kind of method. Seriously, if I were going to commit a mass murder it would be with explosive and NOT with a gun. Then again, mass murder with explosives makes a statement and mass murder with a gun is an emotional outburst from someone that needed help.

I believe the whole gun control agenda goes right along with all the attention given to the race baiters, feminazis, SJWs, Presidential debates, climate change, terrorism and all the other media babies. They are all distractions.

Focus on ANYTHING except the things that are REALLY important. Things like the trillions of dollars poured into the military industrial complex on imaginary wars. The approximately half trillion dollars given away under the guise of drug fear every year. The trillions of dollars wasted on corporate welfare every year. The raping of America by the medical and insurance industries. Etc.

Imagine the changes that could happen if the cash flow were directed where it should be.

Unfortunately, nothing short of complete revolution will bring those changes. And we know how resistant to change the POO and religiotards are.

And remember: Guns don't kill people. A lack of super powers kills people.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
11-12-2015, 01:44 PM #7
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(11-12-2015, 08:26 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2015, 06:02 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  The stats speak for themselves. It's enough to make self proclaimed progressives, liberals and the dreadful SJW crowd pissy enough to beat the living hell out of anyone who confronts them with real data.
The truth sucks, so why not cling to the noble lie to substantiate a narrow minded false paradigm grounded only in their mind.
It's a religion, it's snake oil, much like climate change, it has absolutely nothing to do with fact.
Tis all matter of faith. ğkk statistics.

Sounds like gun propaganda in your OP, where did you find that.. chuckle.gif

if gun crime continues and is such an issue here they will just ban all guns.. Which most people would agree on and not care.. I think they should.. No one needs a gun unless you live on a farm in the outback..
chuckle.gif It wasn't intended to be propaganda, I have no emotional ties to, nor love for guns.
Healthy debate is a beautiful thing. I never took the article to be pro NRA, just factual statistics. Sure, you can ban all guns and ammo, but the reality is, they won't go away.
How well has that worked with drugs?
Anyone with the tools and know how can manufacture their own guns and ammo, it's not rocket science, and it's unrealistic to go door to door and confiscate. Talk about SHTF...
You can attempt to legislate this this the best of intentions, but guns will still remain and the occasional psycho criminal type will take a long walk off a short pier with one regardless of legal status.
I hate to say this, but the old adage is factual that, If guns are outlawed, only criminals will own guns, and that's not exactly utopia nor a viable outcome.
I'm not certain what the answer is here, but the article is indicative of something that does not work in reality the way it does in theory.
The US is armed to the teeth and gun violence is actually down.

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11-12-2015, 02:11 PM #8
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(11-12-2015, 01:44 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(11-12-2015, 08:26 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2015, 06:02 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  The stats speak for themselves. It's enough to make self proclaimed progressives, liberals and the dreadful SJW crowd pissy enough to beat the living hell out of anyone who confronts them with real data.
The truth sucks, so why not cling to the noble lie to substantiate a narrow minded false paradigm grounded only in their mind.
It's a religion, it's snake oil, much like climate change, it has absolutely nothing to do with fact.
Tis all matter of faith. ğkk statistics.

Sounds like gun propaganda in your OP, where did you find that.. chuckle.gif

if gun crime continues and is such an issue here they will just ban all guns.. Which most people would agree on and not care.. I think they should.. No one needs a gun unless you live on a farm in the outback..
chuckle.gif It wasn't intended to be propaganda, I have no emotional ties to, nor love for guns.
Healthy debate is a beautiful thing. I never took the article to be pro NRA, just factual statistics. Sure, you can ban all guns and ammo, but the reality is, they won't go away.
How well has that worked with drugs?
Anyone with the tools and know how can manufacture their own guns and ammo, it's not rocket science, and it's unrealistic to go door to door and confiscate. Talk about SHTF...
You can attempt to legislate this this the best of intentions, but guns will still remain and the occasional psycho criminal type will take a long walk off a short pier with one regardless of legal status.
I hate to say this, but the old adage is factual that, If guns are outlawed, only criminals will own guns, and that's not exactly utopia nor a viable outcome.
I'm not certain what the answer is here, but the article is indicative of something that does not work in reality the way it does in theory.
The US is armed to the teeth and gun violence is actually down.

Gun bans would be effective if guns were completely eliminated from the planet. But as long as there are militaries that will not happen. As long as there are militaries there will be gun smugglers selling guns to criminals. And like I said before, there are many other means of killing people.

The war on gun will fail just as the war on drugs has failed. Treat the mental issues.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
11-12-2015, 02:24 PM #9
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Amen

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11-12-2015, 04:36 PM #10
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(11-12-2015, 08:48 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2015, 05:59 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...death_rate

Canada is a bit lower than Switzerland in regards to gun violence.

From the Swiss article above:

"Social conditions are fundamental in deterring crime,” says Peter Squires, professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Brighton in Great Britain, who has studied gun violence in different countries and concluded that a “culture of support” rather than focus on individualism, can deter mass killings.

But isn't society moving towards individualism?

If these stats are accurate, look at the huge difference between Australia and the USA..

Gun control was the best thing that ever happened here, we had a few horrendous massacres and since gun control not one massacre. No one cared they took guns away, except gun freaks ( a small percentage of the population), lol, so in this society i live in, it works. In America it could never work and will never, ever happen. Ever. You culturally claim guns as your god given right, its in your constitution and there is no way it will ever change.. You have mexico on your border, so its kind of pointless to ban any guns.. We are an island nation, its not as easy to ship guns in, even though im sure they do, like anywhere.. There is not a huge cocaine problem in OZ, there is no crack, cause the purity of coke is so shït, so some things dont get in..

Burp.

This post isnt directed to you US.. lol.gif

Very interesting take on it WR - outside factors. And it sure appears this post is directed at me . 13.gif lol.gif
11-12-2015, 10:21 PM #11
US nli Incognito
 
11-13-2015, 01:21 AM #12
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(11-12-2015, 11:57 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2015, 10:21 PM)US nli Wrote:  More strange US gun stuff:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisisthat/priso...-1.3313464

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That cant be real..

It's not. Neither Labute Penitentiary nor Deacon County Texas exist.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
11-13-2015, 02:09 AM #13
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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wtf2.gif Isn't CBC a legit Canadian website? You're 100% correct Kreeper, total fabrication, neither county nor pen exists.
If that's supposed to be satire, it's a piss poor job.

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11-13-2015, 02:12 AM #14
Coolchick Member
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(11-13-2015, 02:09 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  wtf2.gif Isn't CBC a legit Canadian website? You're 100% correct Kreeper, total fabrication, neither county nor pen exists.
If that's supposed to be satire, it's a piss poor job.

'This Is That is a current affairs program that doesn't just talk about the issues, it fabricates them. Nothing is off limits--politics, business, culture, justice, science, religion--if it is relevant to Canadians, we'll find out the "This" and the "That" of the story.

Each week, hosts Pat Kelly and Peter Oldring introduce you to the voices and stories that give this country character in this 100% improvised, satirical send-up of public radio. '

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisisthat/about

Just Plain Nuts.
11-13-2015, 02:15 AM #15
Octo Mother Superior
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I bet Kinder eggs are legal in Australia though chuckle.gif



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