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08-18-2015, 09:18 AM #16
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08-18-2015, 10:14 AM #17
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What I've read is quite interesting, I'll finish it a bit later before commenting... reading.gif

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08-18-2015, 10:38 AM #18
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I started reading this article with interest, maybe I was curious too. On reading the quotes I noticed what I believe to be a contradiction, so I decided that Buddha Grandmaster is another bullshit teacher as good as one of those American pastors.

Here goes what's contradicting :
The writer clearly states that humans have an afterlife;
then, he says that killing, elimating humans etc. is a misfortune, punishment or bad.

My theory : If one truly believes in afterlife, death is not as bad as they say it is. It may be kind of a 'release' from a life and giving the opportunity to start over again with an upgrade of wisdom earned in the previous life.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
08-19-2015, 01:15 AM #19
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(08-18-2015, 10:38 AM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  I started reading this article with interest, maybe I was curious too. On reading the quotes I noticed what I believe to be a contradiction, so I decided that Buddha Grandmaster is another bullshit teacher as good as one of those American pastors.

Here goes what's contradicting :
The writer clearly states that humans have an afterlife;
then, he says that killing, elimating humans etc. is a misfortune, punishment or bad.

My theory : If one truly believes in afterlife, death is not as bad as they say it is. It may be kind of a 'release' from a life and giving the opportunity to start over again with an upgrade of wisdom earned in the previous life.

To clarify, in Dafa they believe that there is an afterlife but this afterlife varied. What this means is that the Karma and Virtue that one accumulates during his lifetime will decide where one is positioned in the future. Reincarnation to an animal or a lower level if one constantly does evil things and possibly even hell or reincarnation into wealth and abundance or a higher level such as the heavens if one accumulates a lot of virtue and does many good things.

Actually this was discussed in some of Mr Li Hongzhi's lecture:

Excerpt 1:

“ I’ve told you that, regardless of whether it’s Jesus, St. Mary, Yahweh (whose ability exceeds that of even the previous two), or the Buddhas in Eastern religions, with a wave of the hand there wouldn’t be one single sick person on this tiny Earth. Why aren’t they being compassionate and doing that for people? Because people themselves are doing bad things. Of course, this isn’t to punish people—it’s the principle of the universe evaluating all beings. Since humans have done bad things, they have to pay for them themselves. Suppose you killed someone, and a Buddha eliminated the karma for you.

Then, would it mean that you’re allowed to kill people as you please? How could it be acceptable for a Buddha to eliminate your diseases as soon as you had killed people and generated karma? When people do bad things they have to pay for it and bear the responsibility. But when people have done bad things, the most obvious manifestation of it in the human body is sickness, which is used to punish people.

I’m not the only one saying this—Jesus also said that people have sins. Why do people have sins? It’s exactly because people have karma in their bodies. Western culture doesn’t have the word “karma”—there’s no such word in Western culture. So Jesus used the word “sin” to illustrate the general point. In fact, isn’t having karma the same as having sins? Without sins, how could there be karma? It’s the same idea.”


Excerpt 2:

“Nothing that happens on earth, that is, nothing that happens in human society is accidental. You know, to prevent humans from prematurely deteriorating to the point of being destroyed—[in other words,] to sustain human lives and maximally allow people to return again when reincarnating and not descend to Hell and eventually meet with annihilation—gods in the past continually helped humans pay off their karma.

That isn’t known to man. As gods helped man pay off his karma, they also helped society, matter, and all beings pay off their karma. Even some matter has karma. For example, say that a person has done bad deeds. He dies and his karma follows him—it follows his being. Then he won’t be able to reincarnate as a human in his next life. If he reincarnates as a tree, that tree will have karma. If he reincarnates as an animal, that animal will have karma.

By the same token, this means that if he reincarnates as some kind of material, that matter will have karma too. I’d say if you could open your eyes and take a look at the world, you almost couldn’t live here—there is karma billowing everywhere. What happens if man’s karma becomes too massive? Gods won’t come to the human world to directly eliminate karma for human beings. Karma elimination can’t be unconditional—the universe has this law. So gods uphold the laws of the universe when they do things.

The universe has a law. What’s it called? It’s called “no loss, no gain.” To gain, one has to lose. So if you want to eliminate karma for man, people will have to bear the karma. If you don’t help them pay off their karma they will accumulate more and more of it. If the karma becomes enormous, it’s called “evil beyond forgiveness.” Annihilation is what comes after the state of evil beyond forgiveness is reached. The person’s existence will be annihilated and not allowed to continue—it will be completely annihilated. So if you want to eliminate karma for humans so as to protect them, they have to endure the suffering of paying off their karma.

How are they to suffer? They have to endure natural disasters, man-made calamities, and disease. In fact, let me tell you a truth: If a person doesn’t get sick, if that person doesn’t get ill once during his lifetime, he is one-hundred percent guaranteed to descend to Hell after he dies. That’s because a person produces karma while he’s alive. It’s just like what Jesus said: Man has sins. People are in danger if they only produce karma and don’t pay it off. That’s why people get sick and have misfortune. What happens when people on a large scale have accumulated karma? Earthquakes, fires, floods, and even plagues and wars.”
08-19-2015, 03:37 PM #20
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(08-19-2015, 01:15 AM)Phanes Wrote:  
(08-18-2015, 10:38 AM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  I started reading this article with interest, maybe I was curious too. On reading the quotes I noticed what I believe to be a contradiction, so I decided that Buddha Grandmaster is another bullshit teacher as good as one of those American pastors.

Here goes what's contradicting :
The writer clearly states that humans have an afterlife;
then, he says that killing, elimating humans etc. is a misfortune, punishment or bad.

My theory : If one truly believes in afterlife, death is not as bad as they say it is. It may be kind of a 'release' from a life and giving the opportunity to start over again with an upgrade of wisdom earned in the previous life.

To clarify, in Dafa they believe that there is an afterlife but this afterlife varied. What this means is that the Karma and Virtue that one accumulates during his lifetime will decide where one is positioned in the future. Reincarnation to an animal or a lower level if one constantly does evil things and possibly even hell or reincarnation into wealth and abundance or a higher level such as the heavens if one accumulates a lot of virtue and does many good things.

Actually this was discussed in some of Mr Li Hongzhi's lecture:

Phanes, I think you missed my point !

From the article I concluded out that the Buddha Grandmaster teaching is not reliable and is like any other fanatic preacher of other religions, as is also Dafa and Li Hongzhi since you mention him.

As we agree on afterlife, the point is that we have a life,death and afterlife, then death is not really something to be afraid of if we shall return to another life. But in that passage death is related to as a form of punishment.

I do not agree at all that afterlife is varied, about reincarnation to an animal or to a lower level, hell or heavens. We return as humans again with the spirituality and morals that we achieve from the previous lives.

I believe in God and the Bible and also in afterlife, and I find that afterlife makes sense to what is written in the Holy book. We are promised Heaven but it is only when we fullfill purity and perfection over a number of lives. The doors are open to everyone and hell is only for those who make it that way while living and who do not accept the will to gain moral values.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
08-20-2015, 09:43 AM #21
Phanes Incognito Anonymous
 
(08-18-2015, 10:38 AM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  Phanes, I think you missed my point !

From the article I concluded out that the Buddha Grandmaster teaching is not reliable and is like any other fanatic preacher of other religions, as is also Dafa and Li Hongzhi since you mention him.

As we agree on afterlife, the point is that we have a life,death and afterlife, then death is not really something to be afraid of if we shall return to another life. But in that passage death is related to as a form of punishment.

I do not agree at all that afterlife is varied, about reincarnation to an animal or to a lower level, hell or heavens. We return as humans again with the spirituality and morals that we achieve from the previous lives.

I believe in God and the Bible and also in afterlife, and I find that afterlife makes sense to what is written in the Holy book. We are promised Heaven but it is only when we fullfill purity and perfection over a number of lives. The doors are open to everyone and hell is only for those who make it that way while living and who do not accept the will to gain moral values.

You mentioned that you believe in the bible but then you say in a later paragraph that you don't believe in hell or other levels. But was it not Jesus himself that talked about hell and sins? That if a man does much wrong doing he is bound to go to hell?

How are truly corrupt and very evil people to be dealt with? Can bad people do unspeakable evils and not be punished for them? Although we cannot perceive it with our 5 senses other dimensions do truly exist both better ones then our own and far worse ones then our own.

It is not only Falun Dafa that talks about other dimensions however, Buddhism also believes in Samsara and the ancient Greek Orphics beleived in metempsychosis or reincarnation.

In speaking of the ancient Greeks there was an interesting story that Plato had written about in one of his books about Reincarnation and the soul's journey after death, it's quite fascinating and is quite similar to what the East teaches in terms of transmigration and reincarnation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_Er
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