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Canadian Soliders Tortured with Repeating Led Zeppelin Music ...
04-10-2017, 07:46 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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... while naked, starved, wet and cold in February and in a cell and the reasoning was that it was a training exercise should they become POWs.

They want an apology not a payout.

Quote:Angelo Balanos, then 23, had recently joined the Forces to serve Canada — and "pay back all the help we got growing up" in a poor, single-parent family in Windsor, Ont.

"They had music cranked up — Led Zeppelin, I think. I just remember the repetitiveness of the song over and over again for 40 hours straight," he says from his home in Burnaby, B.C.

"There's no other way to explain it but torture. And it didn't last for a couple hours…. To this day, I don't understand why they did this. It was just pure torture for no reason," Balanos says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-s...-1.4053351
04-10-2017, 07:49 PM #2
Kreeper Griobhtha
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He doesn't understand?

Really?

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
04-10-2017, 07:52 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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No quite a few of them do not understand a training exercise that didn't toughen them up, but rather left them with PTSD and no after support. I think something like SERE would give soliders much needed survival skills training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_...and_Escape
04-10-2017, 08:39 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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POW training??? blink.gif
04-10-2017, 08:40 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-10-2017, 08:39 PM)Octo Wrote:  POW training??? blink.gif

More like sustained torture. sad2.gif
04-10-2017, 08:53 PM #6
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Look how the real deal fucked up senator McCain. chuckle.gif

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04-10-2017, 09:00 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-10-2017, 08:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Look how the real deal ƒükkêd  up senator McCain.  chuckle.gif

He would not comply with their demands, so then he was tortured. Wow, from what I am reading about him, I would call him a hero.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-mcca...d=32574863
04-10-2017, 09:06 PM #8
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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He was/is and I respect that, but I don't care for his hawkish politics.
I used to think highly of him and then when he ran against Obama... that was about the time he totally changed.
I'm not a big fan of war.

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04-11-2017, 05:23 PM #9
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Well...at least it was Zep.

If it had been this, for instance:



...there would have been fatalities for sure.

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04-11-2017, 05:49 PM #10
Octo Mother Superior
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04-11-2017, 06:04 PM #11
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Sounds like a typical weekend in my early twenty's add some drugs and sex it would be the same waking up could wet hungry wondering what happened where you at what you doing there how you got there [Image: chuckle.gif]

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04-11-2017, 06:05 PM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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My speakers at work aren't hooked up, so I can only guess what the sound is.

The point is, just more stupidity exposed by those that think they can lead us.

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04-11-2017, 11:02 PM #13
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-11-2017, 10:33 PM)Screaming Yellow Zonkers Wrote:  
(04-10-2017, 07:46 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  ... while naked, starved, wet and cold in February and in a cell and the reasoning was that it was a training exercise should they become POWs.

They want an apology not a payout.

Quote:Angelo Balanos, then 23, had recently joined the Forces to serve Canada — and "pay back all the help we got growing up" in a poor, single-parent family in Windsor, Ont.

"They had music cranked up — Led Zeppelin, I think. I just remember the repetitiveness of the song over and over again for 40 hours straight," he says from his home in Burnaby, B.C.

"There's no other way to explain it but torture. And it didn't last for a couple hours…. To this day, I don't understand why they did this. It was just pure torture for no reason," Balanos says.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-s...-1.4053351

We did this to the enemy during the first Gulf War. Every morning crack of dawn, they would blast Michael Jackson for like 6 hours.

They blasted Led Zep for 40 hours, I believe. So, if an enemy can crack at 6 hours (I assume this 6 hr. mark was chosen to be the effective mark), what harm can be done at 40 hours?
04-11-2017, 11:17 PM #14
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(04-10-2017, 09:00 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(04-10-2017, 08:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Look how the real deal ƒükkêd  up senator McCain.  chuckle.gif

He would not comply with their demands, so then he was tortured. Wow, from what I am reading about him, I would call him a hero.

The other POWs in his camp tell a completely different story. They called him the song bird. The media spins a different story for him because he is one of the "special" people. His dad and grandfather were both Admirals.

Soldiers have been getting POW training for a very long time. It isn't supposed to be pleasant. If listening to Zeppelin for a few days drove them to PTSD then they should be thankful they weren't captured by the enemy. You should hear the stories my dad told about POW training before he shipped off to Vietnam.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
04-11-2017, 11:23 PM #15
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-11-2017, 11:17 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(04-10-2017, 09:00 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(04-10-2017, 08:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Look how the real deal ƒükkêd  up senator McCain.  chuckle.gif

He would not comply with their demands, so then he was tortured. Wow, from what I am reading about him, I would call him a hero.

The other POWs in his camp tell a completely different story. They called him the song bird. The media spins a different story for him because he is one of the "special" people. His dad and grandfather were both Admirals.

Soldiers have been getting POW training for a very long time. It isn't supposed to be pleasant. If listening to Zeppelin for a few days drove them to PTSD then they should be thankful they weren't captured by the enemy. You should hear the stories my dad told about POW training before he shipped off to Vietnam.

It involved humiliation, starvation and hypothermia as well. I assume the 40 hrs. of repeated music was for sleep deprivation. The soliders are protesting this and I stand by them, mostly because they did not receive any psychological support afterwards. Did your POWs get counselling and help when they returned home?



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