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China is about to be hit with a major trade enforcement action from the United States
09-20-2011, 06:53 PM #16
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09-20-2011, 06:54 PM #17
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Trickle up economics only works in space. beerbong.gif rofl.gif

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09-20-2011, 07:04 PM #18
Kreeper Griobhtha
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You are exactly right.

They obviously have a plan to ruin us. Anyone with an IQ above 80 can see that they are not fixing a damn thing and continuously enact policies that will only make things worse.

Unfortunately, those same people with IQs above 80 are completely ignorant of politics and keep electing the same ilk.

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09-20-2011, 08:29 PM #19
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Another long term strategic foothold the US has is a long term Population equilibrium. Although, the numbers are decreasing over the even longer term (50 -100 years) China has a major population problem with far too many males.

China is not a consumer based economy, They would be nowhere near 8% yearly growth if it were not for US exports. Anything below 7% at this point is politically unstable for China until they change their growth model to balance the export market. THey will do this through American/Western brands.If they don't need the US - why do they continue to take US brands on board - US corporations see 1.2 billion consumers - its corporate profits for the likes of GE and the chinese GDP grows. To think that China can drop US interests at this point is naive. TPTB didn't open up to China, just to they Chinese could throw them under the bus. IT has a been a concerted effort and for the most part has benefited the elite of each nation.

Chinese are are not tech innovators they steal tech from abroad and retro fit with disastrous results. See High Tech rail failure. In the long term if they continue in that vain they can have all the rare earth metals but if they don't have the applications or process's to use them or export the goods made from them to market. What's the point in having them.

The level of corruption at local communist party level is astounding, that outstrips anything that occurs in the US.

The US Government is needed in China to such an extent, that the FDA have sent over agents to teach the Chinese how to handle produce for the export market to the US.China would not stand where it is in the world today were it not for the US taxpayer and the zombie consumer society thats endlessly buys crap.

Nearly every major US corporation has or is moving it's HQ to China. Corporations not nations, control the world today through ponzi capital, while still using the nation state system as a front for democracy/legitimacy. So we can argue over US/EU/China, but we're all living through a global leveling of the slave wage working class, those who thought the middle class that started post WWII, would continue without competition were deluding themselves. The US mainland was the only industrialized country left standing after the carnage of WWII. It may have have taken over 65 years but the rest of the global village caught up, by hook or by crook.

In a nation state system the one with the biggest stick runs the joint and it is still the US military industrial complex.

The Chinese and the Japanese HATE one another. Plus Japan has fukushima to deal with which is sadly the long slow agonizing death of the country. Which also has a huge demographic problem to boot.

Right I think I'll stop rambling on. Thanks for your thoughts.
09-20-2011, 09:38 PM #20
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(09-20-2011, 07:04 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  "Anyone with an IQ above 80 can see that they are not fixing a damn thing and continuously enact policies that will only make things worse.
Unfortunately, those same people with IQs above 80 are completely ignorant of politics and keep electing the same ilk."

Couldn't have said it better cheers.gif

(09-20-2011, 08:29 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  Another long term strategic foothold the US has is a long term Population equilibrium. Although, the numbers are decreasing over the even longer term (50 -100 years) China has a major population problem with far too many males.

China is not a consumer based economy, They would be nowhere near 8% yearly growth if it were not for US exports. Anything below 7% at this point is politically unstable for China until they change their growth model to balance the export market. THey will do this through American/Western brands.If they don't need the US - why do they continue to take US brands on board - US corporations see 1.2 billion consumers - its corporate profits for the likes of GE and the chinese GDP grows. To think that China can drop US interests at this point is naive. TPTB didn't open up to China, just to they Chinese could throw them under the bus. IT has a been a concerted effort and for the most part has benefited the elite of each nation.

Chinese are are not tech innovators they steal tech from abroad and retro fit with disastrous results. See High Tech rail failure. In the long term if they continue in that vain they can have all the rare earth metals but if they don't have the applications or process's to use them or export the goods made from them to market. What's the point in having them.

The level of corruption at local communist party level is astounding, that outstrips anything that occurs in the US.

The US Government is needed in China to such an extent, that the FDA have sent over agents to teach the Chinese how to handle produce for the export market to the US.China would not stand where it is in the world today were it not for the US taxpayer and the zombie consumer society thats endlessly buys crap.

Nearly every major US corporation has or is moving it's HQ to China. Corporations not nations, control the world today through ponzi capital, while still using the nation state system as a front for democracy/legitimacy. So we can argue over US/EU/China, but we're all living through a global leveling of the slave wage working class, those who thought the middle class that started post WWII, would continue without competition were deluding themselves. The US mainland was the only industrialized country left standing after the carnage of WWII. It may have have taken over 65 years but the rest of the global village caught up, by hook or by crook.

In a nation state system the one with the biggest stick runs the joint and it is still the US military industrial complex.

The Chinese and the Japanese HATE one another. Plus Japan has fukushima to deal with which is sadly the long slow agonizing death of the country. Which also has a huge demographic problem to boot.

Right I think I'll stop rambling on. Thanks for your thoughts.

Well said P, but consumers in all western countries are partially to blame for this fiasco. Consume, consume, consume cheap Chinese products is also prevalent in Finland, I know it exists throughout Europe.

They could not have become the economic powerhouse they are if it was only the US buying their goods.

China already owns the US in terms of loans, and it's in their best interest to prop the dollar up against the Euro so the States have the money to keep their loan payments up.

Time will tell, but honestly, I can't see the Euro survive this unfolding scenario.

The Chinese banks have halted foreign exchange swaps with several European banks and I'm afraid the Euro may spiral downward quickly.

Who's going to bail out the next EU country to fail eh?

Germany? The UK? France? Romania? rofl.gif

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09-21-2011, 01:52 AM #21
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(09-20-2011, 08:29 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  Another long term strategic foothold the US has is a long term Population equilibrium. Although, the numbers are decreasing over the even longer term (50 -100 years) China has a major population problem with far too many males.

China is not a consumer based economy, They would be nowhere near 8% yearly growth if it were not for US exports. Anything below 7% at this point is politically unstable for China until they change their growth model to balance the export market. THey will do this through American/Western brands.If they don't need the US - why do they continue to take US brands on board - US corporations see 1.2 billion consumers - its corporate profits for the likes of GE and the chinese GDP grows. To think that China can drop US interests at this point is naive. TPTB didn't open up to China, just to they Chinese could throw them under the bus. IT has a been a concerted effort and for the most part has benefited the elite of each nation.

Chinese are are not tech innovators they steal tech from abroad and retro fit with disastrous results. See High Tech rail failure. In the long term if they continue in that vain they can have all the rare earth metals but if they don't have the applications or process's to use them or export the goods made from them to market. What's the point in having them.

The level of corruption at local communist party level is astounding, that outstrips anything that occurs in the US.

The US Government is needed in China to such an extent, that the FDA have sent over agents to teach the Chinese how to handle produce for the export market to the US.China would not stand where it is in the world today were it not for the US taxpayer and the zombie consumer society thats endlessly buys crap.

Nearly every major US corporation has or is moving it's HQ to China. Corporations not nations, control the world today through ponzi capital, while still using the nation state system as a front for democracy/legitimacy. So we can argue over US/EU/China, but we're all living through a global leveling of the slave wage working class, those who thought the middle class that started post WWII, would continue without competition were deluding themselves. The US mainland was the only industrialized country left standing after the carnage of WWII. It may have have taken over 65 years but the rest of the global village caught up, by hook or by crook.

In a nation state system the one with the biggest stick runs the joint and it is still the US military industrial complex.

The Chinese and the Japanese HATE one another. Plus Japan has fukushima to deal with which is sadly the long slow agonizing death of the country. Which also has a huge demographic problem to boot.

Right I think I'll stop rambling on. Thanks for your thoughts.

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"Chinese are are not tech innovators they steal tech from abroad and retro fit with disastrous results."

This is very true. Their problem is lack of quality control and corner cutting. That is why their economy is doomed to fail. It is based entirely on theft, lies and slave labor. They have a fake economy and when their bubble pops it is gonna be huge. Our economies were/are built with several bobbles. Theirs is one huge bubble and they skimped on the glycerin.

Another point to keep in mind regarding is the brain drain that has begun and will grow exponentially. Not only are the brains leaving but the wealthy are leaving in droves. They see the writing on the wall.

Japan and China? Never. They have a very long history of slaughtering each other. They will never unite.

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I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your autumn moon, I am the night
The night
09-21-2011, 01:56 AM #22
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:10,607 Threads:636 Joined:Feb 2011
(09-20-2011, 09:38 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Well said P, but consumers in all western countries are partially to blame for this fiasco. Consume, consume, consume cheap Chinese products is also prevalent in Finland, I know it exists throughout Europe.

They could not have become the economic powerhouse they are if it was only the US buying their goods.

China already owns the US in terms of loans, and it's in their best interest to prop the dollar up against the Euro so the States have the money to keep their loan payments up.

Time will tell, but honestly, I can't see the Euro survive this unfolding scenario.

The Chinese banks have halted foreign exchange swaps with several European banks and I'm afraid the Euro may spiral downward quickly.

Who's going to bail out the next EU country to fail eh?

Germany? The UK? France? Romania? rofl.gif

That is true to a point. Everyone owns Chinese made shït (And that is not meant as slang for stuff.) because all the quality manufacturers have moved their to tak advantage of the slave labor not because we prefer disposable shït.

I would MUCH rather pay more for an item that is going to last 10 years than an item that must be replaced yearly.

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I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your autumn moon, I am the night
The night
09-21-2011, 01:12 PM #23
bohica Member
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I hate buying the crap that comes from China.
It is very difficult not to.
I bought a package of 6 pairs of socks last month, the elastic tops are frazzled after the first wash.
Even our FOOD is coming from there, and it's
Not cheap. IE: a sleeve of 4 garlic bulbs is $1.49, placed right next to the domestic product priced at $1.89 lb.
The sleeve weighs 4 ounces, but packaging and placement make it appear cheaper, even though it costs triple.
Tools?, Fugetaboutit !!! I cannot think of one example where they are even close to being similar, except in appearance.
KItchen ware?, another joke. I gladly pay quadruple for Le Creuset than for the junk from PRC. There is no comparison. I would much rather pay more for a product made by someone who shares our standard of living levels than give my money to slave asters in China.
I could go on and on ...............

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09-21-2011, 01:35 PM #24
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I hear you Bohica, there's a multitude of crap products coming from there. Another strange thing that caught my attention.....I recall that if I wanted to buy frozen pollock in Florida it came from China, now the frozen pollock we get here is from Alaska.
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