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Churches as Sanctuaries
10-14-2012, 05:54 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Sanctuary— when a church offers someone a measure of symbolic protection from authorities — is a medieval and historic concept that is rarely offered today. It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed.

Jozsef Pusuma, his wife Timea Daroczi, and 4-year-old daughter Viktoria, a Hungarian Roma family, are seeking asylum in Canada and hiding in a Toronto area church after the Immigration and Refugee Board denied their claim and ordered them to be deported.

“There is a tension but we didn’t set this up,” said Mary Jo Leddy, a coalition member and the founder of Toronto’s Romero House, which provides shelter to refugees. “The government rammed this legislation through and we told them this would happen. People with a conscience just can’t slam shut the door on people.”

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Our government just can't get it right. sad2.gif

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/articl...o-churches
10-14-2012, 05:57 PM #2
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Just a little history on this rare event.

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Ancient Egyptians and Greeks called it a religious "right of asylum." The early Christians believed churches were holy ground and to remove someone by force was a sacrilege.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...d2af9790fa

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"We are not attempting to break the law. We're attempting to force Canadian authorities to live up to their obligations."
10-14-2012, 06:55 PM #3
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Hungary is pretty progressive, can't see any reason why they would need asylum, but the Roma have a really bad rap that most often times is not deserved.
There are a few around here, they speak and are friendly. They are certainly not intimidating in the least.

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10-14-2012, 07:09 PM #4
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Canada has some bizarre immigration laws. There's thousands of illegal workers in BC but that's okay 'cause they work for cheap. Try to claim asylum through proper channels and get deported.
10-14-2012, 07:10 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Hi Shadow. That's true, but the gov't says that there are so many false immigration asylum claims. So, what do they do? Nothing. sad2.gif
10-14-2012, 07:18 PM #6
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Hej US. I remember a family that tried to claim asylum in Kitimat B.C.. From S Africa and had children with a rare disease where exposure to sunlight would kill them. So they went to where the least sunlight is with a temperate climate, Kitimat. They got deported sad2.gif
10-14-2012, 07:19 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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10-14-2012, 07:26 PM #8
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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yay.gif Well I was wrong, last I heard of this story, the gov was determined to deport them, but they stay. Town wrong too, but Kitimat is next to P Rupert.

Quote:PRINCE RUPERT - A South African family that moved to Prince Rupert to escape the deadly effects of the sun have finally won the right to stay in Canada after nearly a decade of trying.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...042598a366
10-14-2012, 07:31 PM #9
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(10-14-2012, 07:26 PM)Shadow Wrote:  yay.gif Well I was wrong, last I heard of this story, the gov was determined to deport them, but they stay. Town wrong too, but Kitimat is next to P Rupert.

Quote:PRINCE RUPERT - A South African family that moved to Prince Rupert to escape the deadly effects of the sun have finally won the right to stay in Canada after nearly a decade of trying.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...042598a366


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The ensuing immigration battle went on for more than four years, and during that time, the Viviers were not allowed to work, nor were their children allowed to go to school. Without the help and support of the community of Prince Rupert, they never would have survived, and John referred to it as a "humbling experience."

Good for them. So the community has to get involved 'big time'.
10-14-2012, 07:39 PM #10
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(10-14-2012, 07:31 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  The ensuing immigration battle went on for more than four years, and during that time, the Viviers were not allowed to work, nor were their children allowed to go to school. Without the help and support of the community of Prince Rupert, they never would have survived, and John referred to it as a "humbling experience."

Good for them. So the community has to get involved 'big time'.


Yup, like your original post said

Quote: It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed.

If the TEOTWAWKI predictions of CTs are correct and we're headed for some brutal times, a strong community is going to be the only chance of survival.

10-14-2012, 07:59 PM #11
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(10-14-2012, 07:39 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(10-14-2012, 07:31 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  The ensuing immigration battle went on for more than four years, and during that time, the Viviers were not allowed to work, nor were their children allowed to go to school. Without the help and support of the community of Prince Rupert, they never would have survived, and John referred to it as a "humbling experience."

Good for them. So the community has to get involved 'big time'.


Yup, like your original post said

Quote: It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed.

If the TEOTWAWKI predictions of CTs are correct and we're headed for some brutal times, a strong community is going to be the only chance of survival.


CTs?
10-14-2012, 08:01 PM #12
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Conspiracy Theorists cheers.gif
10-14-2012, 08:13 PM #13
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(10-14-2012, 08:01 PM)Shadow Wrote:  Conspiracy Theorists cheers.gif


cheers.gif I agree. It will take a whole village...
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10-30-2012, 05:29 PM #14
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(10-14-2012, 05:54 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

Sanctuary— when a church offers someone a measure of symbolic protection from authorities — is a medieval and historic concept that is rarely offered today. It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed.

Jozsef Pusuma, his wife Timea Daroczi, and 4-year-old daughter Viktoria, a Hungarian Roma family, are seeking asylum in Canada and hiding in a Toronto area church after the Immigration and Refugee Board denied their claim and ordered them to be deported.

“There is a tension but we didn’t set this up,” said Mary Jo Leddy, a coalition member and the founder of Toronto’s Romero House, which provides shelter to refugees. “The government rammed this legislation through and we told them this would happen. People with a conscience just can’t slam shut the door on people.”

-------------------

Our government just can't get it right. sad2.gif

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/articl...o-churches
12-27-2012, 09:24 PM #15
fény Incognito Anonymous
 
Magyar vagyok és drukolok a Pusuma családnak! December óta eltelt egy év, és nem jöhetnek ki! Már egy éve be vannak zárva egy négy éves kislánnyal. Akár roma család akár más minden tiszteletem az övék. Pusuma család több százan imádkozunk értetek és a szabadulásotokért. Magyarország még nem is tudja milyen értékeket veszített el azzal, hogy elveszített titeket! Kanada már érzi, hogy milyen értéket bújtat nekik egy Szenténolink. Daróczi Tímeáról csak annyit szeretnék írni, hogy tavaly decemberbe nem volt kabátom egy vastag pulcsim volt csak, nagyon fáztam legalább 100 ember voltam egy templomba, senki nem vette észre, hogy majd meg fagyok, de az a lány Timike oda jött levette magáról a kabátját és rám adta, nekem adta. Soha nem kért cserébe semmit, ő köszönte meg, hogy elfogadtam tőle a segítségét. Egy keresztet rajzolt a homlokomra és elment. Olyan kisugárzása volt mint egy angyalnak. Az ajándéka és a kedvessége minden időben erőt adott nekem, ha csak rá gondoltam. Életembe ilyen kedves nőt még nem láttam, nagyon szeretem és hálával tartozom neki. Köszönöm Tímea. Isten segítsen titeket.



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