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Consciousness, Perception and the Brain
12-14-2012, 07:32 PM #1
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound? At first you might think, “of course it still makes a sound!” until further defining what “sound” actually means: the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium (dictionary.com). When a tree falls there are certainly pressure waves vibrating through the air, but since “sound” is a quality of consciousness, if no ears are around to “hear” those waves, then the tree literally does not make a sound.

“To the surprise of many, the world ‘out there’ has turned out to be quite unlike our experience of it. Consider our experience of the color green. In the physical world there is light of a certain frequency, but the light itself is not green. Nor are the electrical impulses that are transmitted from the eye to the brain. No color exists there. The green we see is a quality appearing in the mind in response to this frequency of light. It exists only as a subjective experience in the mind. The same is true of sound. I hear the music of a violin, but the sound I hear is a quality appearing in the mind. There is no sound as such in the external world, just vibrating air molecules. The smell of a rose does not exist without an experiencing mind, just molecules of a certain shape.” -Peter Russell, “The Primacy of Consciousness”

What we call “colors” or “sounds” or “smells” are all qualities created in consciousness which have no independent existence without a sentient observer. Colors are just electromagnetic energy of a specific frequency, sounds are just vibrations of specific patterns, and smells are just various combinations of air molecules - all of which require the key element of consciousness to mystically transform these energetic emanations into our intricate and amazing everyday sensations.

“All our perceptions, sensations, dreams, thoughts and feelings are forms appearing in consciousness. It doesn't always seem that way. When I see a tree it seems as if I am seeing the tree directly. But science tells us something completely different is happening. Light entering the eye triggers chemical reactions in the retina; these produce electro-chemical impulses which travel along nerve fibers to the brain. The brain analyses the data it receives, and then creates its own picture of what is out there. I then have the experience of seeing a tree. But what I am actually experiencing is not the tree itself, only the image that appears in the mind. This is true of everything I experience. Everything we know, perceive, and imagine, every color, sound, sensation, every thought and every feeling, is a form appearing in the mind. It is all an in-forming of consciousness.” -Peter Russell, “The Primacy of Consciousness”

Electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength between 380 and 760 nanometers (frequency of 790–400 terahertz) is detected by the human eye and perceived as visible light; everything beyond that is invisible to us. All the colors of the rainbow and absolutely everything we see comes from just a narrow frequency on an infinite electromagnetic spectrum. Our highest perceivable frequency, at 790 terahertz, is the color violet. However with the use of tools/technology we know that above violet are ultra violet light, X-rays, and gamma rays. Our lowest perceivable frequency, at 400 terahertz, is the color red. However, with the use of tools/technology we know that below red are infrared, microwaves, and radio waves. The spectrum is infinite, yet we base our entire experience on the minute sliver perceivable to us and assume that is “reality.”

“Our eyes detect none of these other frequencies, and our image of reality represents but a tiny fraction of what is there. The same holds true of the other senses. What we hear, smell and taste is but a limited sample of the physical reality. Furthermore, there are aspects of the physical world, such as magnetic fields and electric charge that have very little, if any, impact on our experience.” -Peter Russell, “From Science to God”

“In the space that you are occupying now are all the radio and television frequencies broadcasting to your area. You can't see them and they are not aware of each other because you and they are on different frequencies, or wavelengths. Only when the frequencies are really close do they experience 'interference'. It is the same with our reality. Our 'physical world' is just one of countless wavelengths, frequencies or dimensions, and to experience and interact with this realm we need an outer shell that is vibrating within this frequency range. Our consciousness is vibrating too fast to interact efficiently with this frequency … The body is the means through which our Infinite Awareness can directly experience this range of frequencies that I will call, to keep it simple, the five-sense realm, world or dimension. This is why the five senses of sight, touch, smell, hearing and taste are so limited. They are confined to perceiving only this range of frequencies - this dimension.” –David Icke, “The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy” (13-14)

So in the universe there exists an infinite array of electromagnetic radiation, but only the tiniest glimpse of that array is available for sensory experience. Our physical bodies act like electromagnetic transistors for our awareness by switching on/off, amplifying or muting the multitude of signals around us and funneling what we focus on. All visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, and gustatory sensations are brought to our consciousness through this frequency decoding process, just like tuning a radio, and in the grand scheme of things, we are barely receiving a signal.

read more: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2012/...spiracy%29
12-14-2012, 11:11 PM #2
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Sure looks like it.
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12-16-2012, 08:41 PM #3
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(12-14-2012, 07:32 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound? At first you might think, “of course it still makes a sound!” until further defining what “sound” actually means: the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium (dictionary.com). When a tree falls there are certainly pressure waves vibrating through the air, but since “sound” is a quality of consciousness, if no ears are around to “hear” those waves, then the tree literally does not make a sound.

“To the surprise of many, the world ‘out there’ has turned out to be quite unlike our experience of it. Consider our experience of the color green. In the physical world there is light of a certain frequency, but the light itself is not green. Nor are the electrical impulses that are transmitted from the eye to the brain. No color exists there. The green we see is a quality appearing in the mind in response to this frequency of light. It exists only as a subjective experience in the mind. The same is true of sound. I hear the music of a violin, but the sound I hear is a quality appearing in the mind. There is no sound as such in the external world, just vibrating air molecules. The smell of a rose does not exist without an experiencing mind, just molecules of a certain shape.” -Peter Russell, “The Primacy of Consciousness”

What we call “colors” or “sounds” or “smells” are all qualities created in consciousness which have no independent existence without a sentient observer. Colors are just electromagnetic energy of a specific frequency, sounds are just vibrations of specific patterns, and smells are just various combinations of air molecules - all of which require the key element of consciousness to mystically transform these energetic emanations into our intricate and amazing everyday sensations.

“All our perceptions, sensations, dreams, thoughts and feelings are forms appearing in consciousness. It doesn't always seem that way. When I see a tree it seems as if I am seeing the tree directly. But science tells us something completely different is happening. Light entering the eye triggers chemical reactions in the retina; these produce electro-chemical impulses which travel along nerve fibers to the brain. The brain analyses the data it receives, and then creates its own picture of what is out there. I then have the experience of seeing a tree. But what I am actually experiencing is not the tree itself, only the image that appears in the mind. This is true of everything I experience. Everything we know, perceive, and imagine, every color, sound, sensation, every thought and every feeling, is a form appearing in the mind. It is all an in-forming of consciousness.” -Peter Russell, “The Primacy of Consciousness”

Electromagnetic radiation with a wavelength between 380 and 760 nanometers (frequency of 790–400 terahertz) is detected by the human eye and perceived as visible light; everything beyond that is invisible to us. All the colors of the rainbow and absolutely everything we see comes from just a narrow frequency on an infinite electromagnetic spectrum. Our highest perceivable frequency, at 790 terahertz, is the color violet. However with the use of tools/technology we know that above violet are ultra violet light, X-rays, and gamma rays. Our lowest perceivable frequency, at 400 terahertz, is the color red. However, with the use of tools/technology we know that below red are infrared, microwaves, and radio waves. The spectrum is infinite, yet we base our entire experience on the minute sliver perceivable to us and assume that is “reality.”

“Our eyes detect none of these other frequencies, and our image of reality represents but a tiny fraction of what is there. The same holds true of the other senses. What we hear, smell and taste is but a limited sample of the physical reality. Furthermore, there are aspects of the physical world, such as magnetic fields and electric charge that have very little, if any, impact on our experience.” -Peter Russell, “From Science to God”

“In the space that you are occupying now are all the radio and television frequencies broadcasting to your area. You can't see them and they are not aware of each other because you and they are on different frequencies, or wavelengths. Only when the frequencies are really close do they experience 'interference'. It is the same with our reality. Our 'physical world' is just one of countless wavelengths, frequencies or dimensions, and to experience and interact with this realm we need an outer shell that is vibrating within this frequency range. Our consciousness is vibrating too fast to interact efficiently with this frequency … The body is the means through which our Infinite Awareness can directly experience this range of frequencies that I will call, to keep it simple, the five-sense realm, world or dimension. This is why the five senses of sight, touch, smell, hearing and taste are so limited. They are confined to perceiving only this range of frequencies - this dimension.” –David Icke, “The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy” (13-14)

So in the universe there exists an infinite array of electromagnetic radiation, but only the tiniest glimpse of that array is available for sensory experience. Our physical bodies act like electromagnetic transistors for our awareness by switching on/off, amplifying or muting the multitude of signals around us and funneling what we focus on. All visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, and gustatory sensations are brought to our consciousness through this frequency decoding process, just like tuning a radio, and in the grand scheme of things, we are barely receiving a signal.

read more: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2012/...spiracy%29


If a millstone, say, should fall on your head, would you ever know it...?

12-16-2012, 08:47 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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If you didn't see it coming? Probably not.

The User illusion is still a damned good book for anybody interested in this topic.

Quote:Some philosophers of mind have argued that consciousness is a form of user illusion. This notion is explored by Tor Nørretranders in his 1991 Danish book Mærk verden, issued in a 1998 English edition as The User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size.[2] He introduced the notion of exformation in this book.

According to this picture, our experience of the world is not immediate, as all sensation requires processing time. It follows that our conscious experience is less a perfect reflection of what is occurring, and more a simulation produced unconsciously by the brain. Therefore, there may be phenomena that exist beyond our peripheries, beyond what consciousness could create to isolate or reduce them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_illusion
12-16-2012, 08:53 PM #5
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Consciousness is an interesting topic. Octo is right, the book ''The User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size,'' would be something I would highly recommend as well.

Quote:Most revealing of all are famous and controversial experiments by Benjamin Libet and other psychologists. Subjects wired with measuring electrodes are asked to move a finger. A half-second before the decision is made to flex the muscle, an electrical signal is detected in the brain. Astonishingly, the ''decision'' seems to be made by unconscious neurons before the self becomes aware of its desire to act. ''Consciousness portrays itself as the initiator, but it is not,'' Norretranders writes. ''Consciousness is a fraud.'' Other research led Libet to conclude that it also takes about half a second for the brain to become aware of, say, a finger being pricked by a pin. Yet we think we experience the pinprick instantaneously. The brain's simulation of the world seems to be heavily edited.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/05/03/re...ohnst.html

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BooBooKitty Show this Post
12-16-2012, 09:33 PM #6
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(12-16-2012, 08:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Consciousness is an interesting topic. Octo is right, the book ''The User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size,'' would be something I would highly recommend as well.

Quote:Most revealing of all are famous and controversial experiments by Benjamin Libet and other psychologists. Subjects wired with measuring electrodes are asked to move a finger. A half-second before the decision is made to flex the muscle, an electrical signal is detected in the brain. Astonishingly, the ''decision'' seems to be made by unconscious neurons before the self becomes aware of its desire to act. ''Consciousness portrays itself as the initiator, but it is not,'' Norretranders writes. ''Consciousness is a fraud.'' Other research led Libet to conclude that it also takes about half a second for the brain to become aware of, say, a finger being pricked by a pin. Yet we think we experience the pinprick instantaneously. The brain's simulation of the world seems to be heavily edited.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/05/03/re...ohnst.html


Most 'consciousness' is a fraud, of course... it's a display, tailored to suit an 'audience,' no matter what the 'target audience' is; mostly, it is your 'self.' Your 'consciousness' is used to project your 'self' to the perceptions of others... the 'others' being your 'extended audience,' but not, by any means, the main one.

This is interesting, and the only real question is whether or not your 'consciousness' displays a 'true picture' of your self, to your self, and by extension, other observers... this can all be controlled, of course, even from a 'subconcious' position.

To be... or not to be...

True, that is...
12-16-2012, 09:56 PM #7
Octo Mother Superior
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I believe our consciousness is a pretty crude tool to experience reality through. Interesting to ponder upon exactly WHAT in us that decides what we should become aware of. And I also think we mainly have consciousness so that we won't hurt our physical bodies. Maybe.
8's a Charm Show this Post
12-16-2012, 10:07 PM #8
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(12-16-2012, 09:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  I believe our consciousness is a pretty crude tool to experience reality through. Interesting to ponder upon exactly WHAT in us that decides what we should become aware of. And I also think we mainly have consciousness so that we won't hurt our physical bodies. Maybe.


Consciousness brings pain... there is no way around it, unless you 'block' your 'consciousness' of the 'feeling' of pain, but that would be considered 'extraordinary means' which the physical consciousness can't ordinarily resort to, so...I don't believe that that plays a large part, if any.

Most of what we are 'aware of' originates 'outside of ourselves,' in the fourth dimension, and we are 'projectors,' which translate those 'signals' into the three dimensions which we can experience, in much the way that a hologram is projected. iI believe that the true 'reality' of 'us' is contained in this fourth-dimensional 'description' of us, which is partly descriptive of our physical being, and partly descriptive of our spiritual being. We can 'change' these descriptors with work, either consciously or subconsciously (as in our weight, hair color, sex, or personality traits such as honesty, caring, etc), so that what is 'displayed' can vary according to those 'changes in circumstance,' but that ultimately, what is 'written about us' in the fourth dimension is what is displayed for public view...

If you can see what I mean... I believe that some people are able to access these strings of information (unconsciously), which 'colors' their 'perception' of what it is that is being displayed, regardless of the information that is 'consciously' being displayed by the other person... if you see what I mean...

12-16-2012, 10:10 PM #9
yankees skier
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One can have consciousness without feelings. Blind, dumb, deaf and paralyzed people still have it. So the source must not arrive from feelings.

Biere.
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12-16-2012, 10:15 PM #10
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(12-16-2012, 10:10 PM)yankees Wrote:  One can have consciousness without feelings. Blind, dumb, deaf and paralyzed people still have it. So the source must not arrive from feelings.


Blind men cry, too... and paralyzed people must surely feel 'depression.' How are they without 'feelings?' I say that 'consciousness' includes both physical and spiritual, combined for a full range of 'feelings' projected in the third dimensional physical world.

Just because you can't 'see' blue, does not at all mean that you cannot 'feel' blue.

But the source is not a 'feeling;' it is an accurate 'measurement' of the 'feelings' that you project at any given time, all of which are stored as 'measurements' in the fourth dimension, where they are stored, and from which they are 'projected.'

That is my considered perception of 'consciousness,' anyway.

Take it for what you can, if you can...



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