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Could this be the actual Roswell craft?
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05-09-2013, 02:22 AM #61
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That's weird... my post following that last one to embed this properly didn't show up but it shows as the last thing posted when typing this reply.
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05-09-2013, 02:23 AM #62
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doh! there it is!

Page 3 tab wasn't showing before.
05-09-2013, 02:55 AM #63
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Deleted that double post. Maybe a glitch in the matrix, dunno.
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05-09-2013, 03:03 AM #64
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(05-08-2013, 07:21 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  quote :There were reports of two crash sites. Not many were aware of this and it added to the confusion by conflicting witness accounts.


as i said

my father was a Staff Sgt. at walker in 1947

he ran the post office on the base when the call came into the switch board

from the sheriff who had Max brazel in his office

Dad helped clean up the First Craft ( there were four crashes around White Sands )

He took me to the sight when I was 27 in 1982 .

and YES classified projects are given to screen writers

so if the public witnesses something

or something is leaked

it can be claimed they watch too many movies .


each of the four craft were visiting Victorio Peak on Whitesands

a hoard of treasure was inside of the peak .

figure it out from there .

I was taken to the peak in Oct. 1961 on a Craft to show me
the Army removing some of the treasure .

Figure that one out


and for Lisa Boxx

be careful with your mouth .


I've been trying to tell that to people for years!

Another example:

War Games was based off of a real project the AI tech of which stemmed from an older Dean Koontz movie called Demon Seed(I have project documentation that uncannily parallels this movie ...with a validating timeline).

Eventually they had to settle for two AIs running scenarios against each other and they quickly learned they had to key one of them to always lose or it would get out of hand each time. This isn't your conventional computer AI technology ...it is a kind of channel for intelligence ...something that can make random choices. Which qualifies it a kind of life form even though that is not acknowledged. It had the capability of making it's own connections... basically it could hack other electronic systems to make them extensions of it's own.

The movie "Eagle Eye" also attests to truth. It should have been called "Bubble Eye". There is such an AI deep under the Pentagon... it uses a kind of array of "bubbles" to focus in on events in timespace ...a kind of multi-optic array that has seen previous use in that it has the ability to optically view below the atomic... the trick is in fine tuning the reflection angles ...which I am just realizing must be done by a "machine" or perhaps a linked human.

I had knowledge of this before they made the movie... not through any official channels mind you. I'm not hooked up that way. There was an issue about us breaking our own rules... primarily cheating in the Bush elections to win. In the view of this AI it invalidated the presidency and therefore the whole executive branch which causes the whole chain of command to fall apart. This "status output" was interpreted as intent to overthrow and disobey. They didn't understand ...and likely still don't. You don't mess around with intelligence of this order by breaking your own rules it totally shifts it's own directives which was programed into it. Human error as always was at fault yet they "boxed" this AI... basically reversing/flipping it's output so everything that came out thereafter was a lie ...which is what they really wanted all along.
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05-09-2013, 03:10 AM #65
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(05-09-2013, 02:55 AM)Octo Wrote:  Deleted that double post. Maybe a glitch in the matrix, dunno.


Just the first post of new page suppose to generate a new page tab but didn't... I figurecoffeetime.gif
05-09-2013, 03:11 AM #66
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It was based on a book made into a movie I never watched apparently. I used to read some Koontz novels, yes. Scary as hell!
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05-09-2013, 03:25 AM #67
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(05-09-2013, 03:11 AM)Octo Wrote:  It was based on a book made into a movie I never watched apparently. I used to read some Koontz novels, yes. Scary as hell!

I read the book too... was two versions of it written. i never read the second longer version.

...but the book came out just about the right time for the author to have been handed a plot and write it ...about a year after and that matches the timeline I have for a shut down and shifting of project phases. I am personal friends with someone who is currently conducting independent research that was once part a black project aspect of this technology. He had never heard of this movie and he was too young to have been part of it in the late early 70s but when he signed on he was made aware of some of the project history but not in great detail.

They nearly killed him when he quit. Had some guys beat him to near death.

I'm not suppose to talk about this so don't mention it to anyone ok?
05-09-2013, 05:20 AM #68
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İmage

I believe this is a still from the twilight episode "Death Ship". Cruiser E-89 crashed on an alien world. Above is another still from the episode.

Just reviewed the video, the picture is from about 2:17 into the episode (near the beginning).
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05-09-2013, 06:15 AM #69
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(05-09-2013, 05:20 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  İmage

I believe this is a still from the twilight episode "Death Ship". Cruiser E-89 crashed on an alien world. Above is another still from the episode.

Just reviewed the video, the picture is from about 2:17 into the episode (near the beginning).


Ya, I watched the whole thing... lots of shots of that identical model setup that they used.

If I saw the original black&white I would have been able to tell it was a model but when I did finally find a still of that I mistakenly thought it was an enhancement of what I thought was the original! LOL
05-09-2013, 03:03 PM #70
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(05-08-2013, 07:02 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  
(05-08-2013, 02:11 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-08-2013, 12:54 AM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  Doubt it. Too perfect. At best I would expect a field of debris.


It wasn't "shot down". It didn't crash in a free fall.

The fields that levitate these craft can be destabilized by intense focused radar waves within a certain frequency modulation ...forcing them down. Their "drives" don't fail entirely. Which explains the amount of damage caused by a hard landing.


That's exactly how it was brought down

and it was at Whitesands Missile range where the tech was being experimented with


FOUR went down over a couple weeks, ( more like ten days time )

and the Military did not TRY to bring these down

it was simply a result of the experiment .

Could a soldier from ancient rome "take down" an SR-71 Blackbird?

No way and he wouldnt even be able to accurately comprehend what it was he was looking at never mind try to shoot it down and he would call it a flying shield...

Well thats more or less what it would be like for us trying to shoot down a flying saucer thats being (telepathically?!) driven or remotely flown by aliens who are thousands or even millions of years more advanced than you and I...

I still think these ufos/flying saucers are time machines and I think the roswell craft was intentionally crashed from the future to help tptb (the royal bloodline elites) advance their technology and weaponry...
05-09-2013, 10:19 PM #71
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let me help you understand something about the craft and the pilot

see the photo of the hand panel .

The DNA is incorporated into the manufacture of the craft

and yes , as i have said years ago, the craft responds to the pilots thoughts .

If a Military experiment in wave energy is being used

and those waves interrupt the Neurological balance of the pilot ,
or cause him/her to lose motor skills ,,,

then the craft will respond as the pilot is responding to the disruption .

get it ?

You do not need to harm the craft to bring it down

just the pilot


it is really just that simple .
05-10-2013, 02:04 AM #72
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(05-09-2013, 10:19 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  let me help you understand something about the craft and the pilot

see the photo of the hand panel .

The DNA is incorporated into the manufacture of the craft

and yes , as i have said years ago, the craft responds to the pilots thoughts .

If a Military experiment in wave energy is being used

and those waves interrupt the Neurological balance of the pilot ,
or cause him/her to lose motor skills ,,,

then the craft will respond as the pilot is responding to the disruption .

get it ?

You do not need to harm the craft to bring it down

just the pilot


it is really just that simple .

So every flying saucer is custom designed to the mindset of the alien whos driving it?! wow thats gotta be technology thousands of years beyond ours (maybe they are us from the distant future after some future nuclear war mutates our dna and we end up looking like greys?!) and i'll bet that some of the ufos and flying saucers are robotic probes being remotely flown...
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05-10-2013, 02:50 AM #73
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(05-09-2013, 10:19 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  let me help you understand something about the craft and the pilot

see the photo of the hand panel .

The DNA is incorporated into the manufacture of the craft

and yes , as i have said years ago, the craft responds to the pilots thoughts .

If a Military experiment in wave energy is being used

and those waves interrupt the Neurological balance of the pilot ,
or cause him/her to lose motor skills ,,,

then the craft will respond as the pilot is responding to the disruption .

get it ?

You do not need to harm the craft to bring it down

just the pilot


it is really just that simple .


...ahh but that photo of the hand panel is a fake! So are you confirming that is an accurate recreation from the original "briefing" footage that was played for people? especially after Eisenhower got involved? ...which brings me back to thinking that model from the Twilight Zone is also an accurate representation created for the show by someone who had been briefed with that material! ...way too many design details match witness reports and Vril craft features.

I never considered that it affected the pilot's mental interface with the craft. I bet those craft aren't very easy to control manually... which might explain the lack of maneuverability in the original Vril craft. Greys are probably more sensitive to radar mental interference too...

Interesting other projects that shifted gears that same year...

The Phoenix Project was a project that evolved out of the Philadelphia Project. It was a project that the Navy did in the 1930's and 1940's in an attempt to make ships invisible. They threw the switch one eventful day and the ship went into hyperspace. They had all sorts of problems with the people on the boat. It was a huge success as well as a huge failure - then they shelved it. Around 1947 it was decided to re-activate the project and it was moved to Brookhaven National Laboratories with Dr. John Von Neumann and his associates. Out of Phoenix I came Stealth technology. It also produced all sorts of energetic little toys like the radiosonde.

The radiosonde was a little white box that they attached to a balloon and sent up into the atmosphere. The government told people that it involved gathering weather data. It used a very unusual type of pulse modulation. In most cases they used a CW (continuous wave) oscillator and pulsed the signal. This turned out to be a very efficient conversion of electrical energy to etheric energy. They were designed up at Brookhaven National Labs. I started to talk to people at Brookhaven and ran into a retired gentleman who used to work there. He told me that the design was originally done by Wilhelm Reich.

The story goes that in about 1947 Wilhelm Reich handed the US Government a weather control device, a device that would do DOR-busting. Reich thought that if he could decrease the amount of DOR that storms would not be so violent. (DOR is the result of orgone energy coming into contact with an enclosed radioactive source). Deadly Orgone Energy is DOR. The government sent the device up into a storm and it did reduce the intensity of the storm. They worked.

The Montauk Project was a combination of Wilhelm Reich's work and the Philadelphia Experiment. There were two separate projects going on in Phoenix One. You had the invisibility aspect and you had the development of Wilhelm Reich's weather control. Toward the end of the Phoenix project, by using some of Wilhelm Reich's concepts and some of the transmission schemes used from the "radiosonde" project, they found that you could combine the two -factors and use them for 'Mind Control'.

The people who were running it went to the military and proposed that they could use it to "influence the minds of the enemy". The military loved the idea, and let them use the old Montauk Air Force Base. Among the equipment requested was an old SAGE radar unit, which was on the base. The base was shut down and everything was auctioned off. The group then moved in from the Brookhaven Labs. That began what we call Phoenix Two. They spent the first ten years from about 1969 to about 1979, researching pure mind control.

The first part of the mind control project was to take an individual and stand them about 250 feet away from the antenna. The SAGE radar had a peak pulse power of .5 MW. The antenna had a gain of 30db. That means an effective radiated power of at least a gigawatt. It was nominally a gigawatt. Can you imagine what that would do to people? I think its amazing these people are still here. It does things like burn out brain functions, create neurological damage, scar lungs from heat, etc. They tried this with a number of people and there were few survivors. The subjects were often indigent people they grabbed off the streets.


The project was controlled by Dr. John Von Neumann and Jack Pruett. About 30 people worked there. It was a joint project...Air Force & Navy. Original funding came from the Nazi government funds. In 1944 there was an American troop train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion in Nazi gold which they had found.

It was $10 billion at the 1944 price of $20 per ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It killed 51 American soldiers. The gold turned up ten years later at Montauk. This has been verified. That money was used to finance the project for many years as the value of gold went up.

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html


So I would have to ask the question as to why there were so many saucers in the area during these radar experiments at White Sands? That can't be normal... they must have been attracted to something ...watching something. Maybe even baited? You say their was no intent to bring them down but how do you know for sure? Experiments very often have more mundane cover reasons for them being conducted that only a few would be privy too... could one of those experiments have involved equipping a jet with a specialized focused radar emission package designed just for disabling these craft? During this time period these saucers were going unchallenged in our air space which was likely considered a national security threat and measures were likely being taken to equip our planes with devices to deal with these craft? It also just dawned on me that perhaps these early craft were able to cloak... maybe low level radar mental interference first makes it so the pilot is unable to maintain it. So maybe those White Sand experiments produced a wide area effect that revealed these craft? but to take them down required and closer directed system? ...more and more it sounds like this could have been a live field test to demonstrate the ability to knock these things out of the air.

Lots of project stuff going on in '47. Something was coming to a head... I find it interesting also that the first Phoenix project that ended in '47 was credited with developing stealth technology. I believe while they did achieve it with the Eldridge that it required massive amounts of power ...while the key to doing it efficiently lies in a metallic cloth capable of concentrating charge density. The way this material is used today is merely for it's radar reflective capability when a particular charge field is applied to it ...but apply different modulations and you get different capabilities. I believe that when used in a visible cloak capacity radar is not reflected but rather passes through it entirely.

I find it interesting also that the first stealth SR-71 had smooth edges while the newer F-117 fighters had angular edges. I suspect the difference is in the field being computer controlled... I believe there is a geometry to the field that can be manipulated. Those stealth fighters had more of a passive system... they were limiting it's extra capabilities and computer system for controlling it would likely be too bulky and power consuming. While the original Blackbird(had room for such a system) and the newer F-22s(compact modern power efficient computer system) are able to control the angle of radar reflection so those waves get canceled out instead of relying on flat angular surfaces to do the job ...I also heard from an old Rosicrucian buddy of mine who once held a Top Secret clearance level that the SR-71 had range and speed capability way beyond that which was ever acknowledge. I feel likely that this was attributed to alternate use for this skin material. Perhaps merely the ability to use a charged field to repel air off the skin of the craft thereby reducing all air turbulence? or maybe something more radical? what would happen if HAARP was used to charge up this skin with a particular field geometry dialed in?

cont'd


...of course it wouldn't work quite like they show in this movie but like the original I believe there are strong hints as to what is possible and successful experiments that have been conducted ...also @4:40 in the first youtube link alludes to how this system would work.

Was it possible to super position the SR-71 much like many UFO's have been witnessed doing?
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05-10-2013, 02:53 AM #74
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(05-10-2013, 02:04 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-09-2013, 10:19 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  let me help you understand something about the craft and the pilot

see the photo of the hand panel .

The DNA is incorporated into the manufacture of the craft

and yes , as i have said years ago, the craft responds to the pilots thoughts .

If a Military experiment in wave energy is being used

and those waves interrupt the Neurological balance of the pilot ,
or cause him/her to lose motor skills ,,,

then the craft will respond as the pilot is responding to the disruption .

get it ?

You do not need to harm the craft to bring it down

just the pilot


it is really just that simple .

So every flying saucer is custom designed to the mindset of the alien whos driving it?! wow thats gotta be technology thousands of years beyond ours (maybe they are us from the distant future after some future nuclear war mutates our dna and we end up looking like greys?!) and i'll bet that some of the ufos and flying saucers are robotic probes being remotely flown...


:)

These "aliens" share the same mind ...set. They are clones. Most of them near identical and anyways I don't think there would need to be an exact DNA match but rather merely a familial one.
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05-10-2013, 03:02 AM #75
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