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05-06-2014, 10:54 PM #1
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That's what the gov't would be doing by raising the minimum wage.

Anyone who wanted to work for less and any employer who was willing to hire the person would be committing a crime according to the government even though both parties agreed to the arrangement. coffeetime.gif

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05-07-2014, 11:51 PM #2
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Remember the two-word phrase "criminalizing work" whenever you hear some leftist cry for a "living wage."

"Living wage" is their two-word soundbite. It sounds good, but it bites.

Most of politics is decided by who has the better two-word soundbite.

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05-08-2014, 12:02 AM #3
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You should at least be able to sustain yourself with a full time job.
05-08-2014, 12:35 AM #4
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If a person feels they aren't paid enough, they should go get a job that pays them what they feel they need.

If no one will pay them at that rate, then they should start their own business and find out if they are worth what they believe.

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05-08-2014, 04:30 AM #5
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Studies have shown that a living wage improves local economies far more than it damages. Someone who can barely pay rent on $7/hr is not going to be spending a dime on anything but survival. Like my b-i-l told me just a few weeks ago. When I made $80k/yr I spent $80k/yr. Now I make $30k/yr that's all I spend.

Do the math.
05-08-2014, 06:27 AM #6
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(05-08-2014, 04:30 AM)Shadow Wrote:  Studies have shown that a living wage improves local economies far more than it damages. Someone who can barely pay rent on $7/hr is not going to be spending a dime on anything but survival. Like my b-i-l told me just a few weeks ago. When I made $80k/yr I spent $80k/yr. Now I make $30k/yr that's all I spend.

Do the math.

The reason the WH and others are pushing for minimum wages is that union contracts are tied to minimum wages. When the rate is changed the union workers get automatic raises. It's about rewarding their donors.

Raising minimum wage means inflation increases and the cost of goods go up. So there is no benefit gained from raising minimum wages other than fooling poor people into thinking something is being done for them..

Meanwhile, more jobs get shipped overseas, more businesses close, and fewer businesses can start.

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05-08-2014, 05:41 PM #7
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Sort of six of one or a half dozen of the other isn't it? I don't know the answer, but I do know if families are barely subsisting on their income they won't be buying anything but what they absolutely need.
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05-09-2014, 09:16 AM #8
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(05-08-2014, 06:27 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(05-08-2014, 04:30 AM)Shadow Wrote:  Studies have shown that a living wage improves local economies far more than it damages. Someone who can barely pay rent on $7/hr is not going to be spending a dime on anything but survival. Like my b-i-l told me just a few weeks ago. When I made $80k/yr I spent $80k/yr. Now I make $30k/yr that's all I spend.

Do the math.

The reason the WH and others are pushing for minimum wages is that union contracts are tied to minimum wages. When the rate is changed the union workers get automatic raises.

interesting situation which could indeed lead to inflation. so in addition there is a need for laws which annihilate this connection... but that would impair freedom of contract...
05-09-2014, 12:36 PM #9
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The Scandinavian countries don't have a general minimum wage, but the business lobby wants just that.

Quote:The Scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark don’t don’t have a minimum wage at all because they are so highly unionized. “The unions there felt that a national minimum wage would interfere with collective bargaining, and it might even bring the price of labor down,” says Chater.

Nordic countries prefer to have a collective agreement between unions and employers as the reference point for wages, not one set by the government.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/31/europe-...wages.html

Quote:Finland currently does not have a minimum wage. Instead, workers are protected by sector-by-sector agreements on terms and conditions that generally include minimum salaries. Now the business lobby wants a new system with a national minimum wage and an end to legally-binding sector-based agreements.

“The level of a minimum wage would be slightly lower than the lowest collectively-agreed minimum, so that those in difficult positions in the labour market could also find work,” said Raumo Vanhanen, director of the Federation.

His organisation would also propose abandoning the current system whereby agreements between unions and employers’ representatives bind every company operating in a particular sector.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/business_lobby_wan...nd/7181448



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