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Criminalizing your Thoughts: Government Web bots to scour Internet Searching for Hate Speech.
05-01-2014, 04:36 PM #16
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(05-01-2014, 04:23 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(05-01-2014, 04:05 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  There are plenty of existing laws to cover this, you read about bullies being prosecuted all the time. This proposed law in particular, overextends in to areas it should not, like for instance, destroying the first amendment, and decisions on who is hateful and not will be made by a panel, not by courts.
These things become partisan and bam, instant problems.
Are you saying people should not have a right to speak their mind if the president says the ACA will save everyone $2,500 a year, and in reality, clearly cost more? That's what this boils down to. It relies on a panel making determinations on peoples lives without due process. You may be good with that, and that's your right, be careful what you wish for.

Then perhaps we should scrutinize panel members to determine if these people fairly represent the diversity of a particular community, if not, we then have the right to petition and protest to have one or more members ousted from that panel. What other alternatives are there? And yes the bullies/haters are prosecuted, but after the fact of someone killing themselves, what good does it do then?

Due process. Let the legal system decide. There are no provisions in the constitution for panels of this nature, let alone, allow them to be judge, jury and executioner.
As to this suicide aspect, get the big pharma lobby out of lawmakers pockets, then you will see the use of newer anti-depressents outlawed. The dirty little secret is they are at the core of most of these types of incidents. I have not seen a mass shooting incident in recent memory where some type of meds were not involved.
Everyone I've know that ever committed suicide was on drugs. You are bringing up a good point US, but more laws should be made to strike at the root of that particular problem, not this broad brush legislation that would kill simple discourse, the heart of democracy.

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05-01-2014, 04:48 PM #17
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(05-01-2014, 04:31 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In my internet travels, I come across many women haters who, when they begin to lose the argument, threaten bodily harm upon whom they believe to be women. The last time I checked threatening violence is against the law, and against my rights. As well, how do I know the person threatening me does not have the means to find out where I live?

http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_po...latestnews

We would never allow that to go on here, and other websites should be that responsible. I agree 100% this is unacceptable, like I suggested in the last post, laws need to be made to weed that problem out. This is comparing apples to oranges, what you are discussing is specific hate that can be easily defined. What this bill is about is a loose definition of hate that can be applied to stifle perfectly logical opposing viewpoints, or apply new meaning on any given day.
Law du jour is something I don't feel very comfortable with.

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05-01-2014, 04:51 PM #18
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-01-2014, 04:28 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(05-01-2014, 03:48 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What would be the alternatives in trying to control internet bullying and hate that causes sensitive teenagers to commit suicide?

Obviously there are deeper issues in our society that need addressed, on- and offline bullying, depression and anxiety being just a few of the symptoms. Most people online aren't bullies or trolls and this type of corporal punishment is just unacceptable in my book.

There are however people dealing with this type of issues:

Quote:Swedish lawyers track and charge net trolls

A Swedish team of pro bono lawyers who are fed up with net bullying want online trolls to take responsibility for their behaviour. The law firm has helped victims claim money from their aggressors.

"When people use freedom of speech to hurt other people, they have a responsibility," Schultz told The Local about the new volunteer Law and Internet Institute (Institutet för Juridik & Internet - IJI), which takes aim specifically at slander, violations, and threats made online.

http://www.thelocal.se/20140429/swedish-...net-trolls

Quote:"Internet can stoke a mob mentality," Schultz says in reference to Julia's treatment online. "You unite against a common enemy and egg each other one. It's a rabble."
(from your link Octo).

The online world offers a large proportion of sick people the opportunity to band together and I've seen this anonymous mob mentality in action with most other people remaining as bystanders. So, who is to step up and challenge or stop this behaviour?
05-01-2014, 04:55 PM #19
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-01-2014, 04:48 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(05-01-2014, 04:31 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In my internet travels, I come across many women haters who, when they begin to lose the argument, threaten bodily harm upon whom they believe to be women. The last time I checked threatening violence is against the law, and against my rights. As well, how do I know the person threatening me does not have the means to find out where I live?

http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_po...latestnews

We would never allow that to go on here, and other websites should be that responsible. I agree 100% this is unacceptable, like I suggested in the last post, laws need to be made to weed that problem out. This is comparing apples to oranges, what you are discussing is specific hate that can be easily defined. What this bill is about is a loose definition of hate that can be applied to stifle perfectly logical opposing viewpoints, or apply new meaning on any given day.
Law du jour is something I don't feel very comfortable with.

I am sure IF this bill goes through that the definitions will be explicity defined with time. The psychology and ramifications of anonymous internet freedom has hardly been looked at. If it is brought into the courts, experts will need to be sought, hopefully, proding more exploration and research.
05-01-2014, 04:58 PM #20
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Here's a good resource on SSRIs and their relation to mass shootings, school shootings

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...olence.php
05-01-2014, 04:59 PM #21
Octo Mother Superior
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(05-01-2014, 04:51 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:"Internet can stoke a mob mentality," Schultz says in reference to Julia's treatment online. "You unite against a common enemy and egg each other one. It's a rabble."
(from your link Octo).

The online world offers a large proportion of sick people the opportunity to band together and I've seen this anonymous mob mentality in action with most other people remaining as bystanders. So, who is to step up and challenge or stop this behaviour?


Would you stay in an abusive relationship? It's e helluva lot easier to leave a website than a relation, I have no idea why you would expose yourself to abuse when you have the option not to. I have no experience from this mob mentality, but then again, words on the internet don't hurt me so I may just not have noticed.
05-01-2014, 05:02 PM #22
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-01-2014, 04:58 PM)Shadow Wrote:  Here's a good resource on SSRIs and their relation to mass shootings, school shootings

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...olence.php

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05-01-2014, 05:06 PM #23
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Quote:A former Illinois lawmaker who abruptly resigned last month was charged Monday with the possession of child pr0n0graphy. He was found to brag on an online chat room: “Twelve is about as old as I can handle. I love them at six, seven, eight.”. Elgin Democrat Keith Farnham had previously co-sponsored two bills authorizing stronger penalties for child pr0n0graphy.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/e...-old-girl/

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05-01-2014, 05:14 PM #24
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-01-2014, 04:59 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(05-01-2014, 04:51 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:"Internet can stoke a mob mentality," Schultz says in reference to Julia's treatment online. "You unite against a common enemy and egg each other one. It's a rabble."
(from your link Octo).

The online world offers a large proportion of sick people the opportunity to band together and I've seen this anonymous mob mentality in action with most other people remaining as bystanders. So, who is to step up and challenge or stop this behaviour?


Would you stay in an abusive relationship? It's e helluva lot easier to leave a website than a relation, I have no idea why you would expose yourself to abuse when you have the option not to. I have no experience from this mob mentality, but then again, words on the internet don't hurt me so I may just not have noticed.

That is the million dollar question Octo. Internet socializing psychology and abnormal psychology has hardly been researched and so should we apply the same psychological drives/needs with inpersonal relationships, or is there little difference?
05-01-2014, 05:39 PM #25
Octo Mother Superior
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I can only speak for myself, I don't know what's driving other people. I wouldn't behave any other way online than I do in real life. If I was that bothered with a troll I'd direct my complaint to the site owner. They should then assess the problem and deal with it accordingly. If the site ignores it then you may want to take it further.
05-01-2014, 06:02 PM #26
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-01-2014, 05:39 PM)Octo Wrote:  I can only speak for myself, I don't know what's driving other people. I wouldn't behave any other way online than I do in real life. If I was that bothered with a troll I'd direct my complaint to the site owner. They should then assess the problem and deal with it accordingly. If the site ignores it then you may want to take it further.

Of course, life saavy, mature, and non-prescription drug users such as you know our options out there in the online world, but not all public forum/sites are created equally, nor are internet users. However, on a site such as this one, I need never worry about enduring blatent hate, and so never have to endure the hate escalating into violent threats; that is not the case elsewhere.
05-01-2014, 08:40 PM #27
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Everyone has disagreements... it's just, most of us are also adults and can laugh at our differences.
That's kind of a luxury. chuckle.gif

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05-02-2014, 01:00 AM #28
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In this fallen world laced with around 1,500,000,000 lunar deity worshiping muslims about 23% of the human population who deep down inside want to obliterate the united states our two faced back stabbing war mongering american powers that be with seemingly nothing better to f###en do continue dominating and controlling their own people by filling our minds with fear and paranoia while eroding and annihilating our freedoms of thought and speech while railroading and demonizing and imprisoning more people than any other country upon this decaying planet earth...
05-02-2014, 05:16 AM #29
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(05-02-2014, 01:00 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  In this fallen world laced with around 1,500,000,000 lunar deity worshiping muslims about 23% of the human population who deep down inside want to obliterate the united states our two faced back stabbing war mongering american powers that be with seemingly nothing better to f###en do continue dominating and controlling their own people by filling our minds with fear and paranoia while eroding and annihilating our freedoms of thought and speech while railroading and demonizing and imprisoning more people than any other country upon this decaying planet earth...

It's simple Beyond, if we keep together then we need not fear.



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