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12-28-2013, 07:39 PM #1
Softy Incognito Anonymous
HOW quickly the need to cut deficits is reducing the European Union’s military ambitions. When EU leaders held a summit to discuss defence five years ago there was heady talk of being able to deploy 60,000 troops within 60 days. Today the objective is to get overstretched troops home from Afghanistan as budgets are cut. The EU is meant to have two “battle groups” of 1,500 men apiece ready to deploy at short notice, but it can barely muster one—and none has ever been used....


The EU can lowball it's own defense spending disproportionately to their need

and commitments because the US has been their first line of defense,,,

It's military welfare for client states,,,

We have to spend more than all the combined to protect them,,,

France can only talk big talk to Iran,,,

because US is there,,,

still,,,didn't know they going to zero,,,broke,,,and every time they get

this weak,,,something happens,,,guess we will see...

12-28-2013, 10:34 PM #2
Wayne5 Member
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We should stop. They only get away with it because we let them. I 'm not saying we should be isolationist but gee WWII was a long time ago, so was the Cold War. Its welfare for what?
12-28-2013, 10:57 PM #3
Softy Incognito Anonymous
(12-28-2013, 10:34 PM)Wayne5 Wrote:  We should stop. They only get away with it because we let them. I 'm not saying we should be isolationist but gee WWII was a long time ago, so was the Cold War. Its welfare for what?

Particularly since the destruction will probably be from within,,,

doing a good job of self destruction,,,and yeah,,,wars are over,,,

and not sure our current administration would do much anyway,,,

and the rest of the world worries about that as well,,,but yeah,,,

saved em from the big bad bear,,,and they benefited greatly from

not having to spend as much on defense over the years,,,but seems

all that savings has now been pretty much spent and gone...

12-28-2013, 11:03 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,002 Threads:1,473 Joined:Feb 2011
We're not defenseless, but the fight is individual. "They" get away with it because we let them. Nobody's going to fight for the "cause" unless I do, for myself, my family and everything I believe in. There are no saviors except for ourselves.
12-28-2013, 11:10 PM #5
Octo Mother Superior
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Finland is on of the few countries left in Europe with conscription and that with the support of the majority. That is of course based on our recent history when the Russians came. A deeply traumatic event to this day.

The national army is going to die out eventually. I hope it's for the better of mankind, but while that's happening there are private security businesses flourishing which is basically armies, only difference is they don't answer to any country, only corporations.
12-28-2013, 11:28 PM #6
Softy Incognito Anonymous
Hi Octo,

Thanks for explaining that,,,and we certainly have a lot of respect

for what Finland did with a much smaller number of troops,,,when

the Russians came,,,impressive,,,and have no doubt still made of

the same stuff,,,and we have some private corporations here as well,,,

still trying to figure out whose side they are on,,,probably their own side,,,

and when things get real,,,probably first to be gone out of business,,,

and not singling out any country in the EU,,,but certainly defense has

scaled down a bunch,,,maybe that is a good thing,,,we can all hope so,,,

still seems after WW1 this was done in a big way,,,and not sure that was

wise,,,war to end all wars,,,all that jazz...

12-28-2013, 11:36 PM #7
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,002 Threads:1,473 Joined:Feb 2011
Hey Softy hug.gif

Funny enough, (not really funny) is when the Russians came Finland asked for help from the allies who would have sent troops, but were stumped by "neutral" Sweden who didn't want any troop transport across their country. This was to not interrupt the iron ore trains to Nazi Germany. Yay Sweden. 13.gif
12-28-2013, 11:46 PM #8
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,002 Threads:1,473 Joined:Feb 2011
Also have to say that the Finnish Army is exclusively for defense purposes, not invasions.

There are however a bunch of "battle groups" in Europe. I have no idea who's behind that initiative 13.gif

12-29-2013, 12:14 AM #9
Softy Incognito Anonymous
Yeah,,,needed the iron,,,never heard of that Nordic Battle group,,,

strange with Ireland in that,,,like how are they going to defend that???,,,

kinda a baby Nato,,,really small,,,guess this to tell the people they

have a defense???,,,when maybe they don't very much,,,I mean

2200???,,,for five countries,,,seems spread a little thin,,,

I like the lion debate,,,that is also strange,,,oh well,,,

hopefully none of this is ever needed...

12-29-2013, 12:33 AM #10
Wayne5 Member
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hug.gif Conscription! I keep telling people they are conspiring! blink.gif Oh....never mind.
12-29-2013, 12:40 AM #11
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:31,393 Threads:1,439 Joined:Feb 2011
Nobody should rely on the US for ANYTHING, they can't even do healthcare right. Shameful, when successful examples exist worldwide.
The EU is screwed if they think the US can bail them out. The US is fast becoming a banana republic due to the cost of unnecessary foreign wars for the petrol dollar, oil and opium.

12-29-2013, 12:46 AM #12
Wayne5 Member
Posts:660 Threads:61 Joined:Nov 2013
You are right, Jay. We can not be trusted.
12-29-2013, 01:27 AM #13
Softy Incognito Anonymous
Hi Wayne5,

what a slam on the sweden,,,


how did you find that???,,,

swedish special forces,,,

Hi JayRodney,

Probably shouldn't rely on this administration,,,Putin gave him a good out

on Syria,,,otherwise that was going to be a disaster,,,well,,,still is,,,

I know,,,whole mideast is right now,,,Egypt fixed itself,,,so that is an

exception,,,but close,,,not sure who the EU is going to rely on though,,,

hopefully won't ever have to...




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