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Disease killing Pacific herring threatens salmon, scientist warns
08-30-2013, 02:38 PM #1
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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This is from the Globe and Mail, very MSM....

Quote:'I've been seeing herring with bleeding fins,' says biologist Alexandra Morton
Independent fisheries scientist Alexandra Morton is raising concerns about a disease she says is spreading through Pacific herring causing fish to hemorrhage.

Ms. Morton has called on the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans to investigate, saying it could cause large-scale herring kills and infect wild salmon, which feed heavily on herring.

"I've been seeing herring with bleeding fins," Ms. Morton said Monday. "Two days ago I did a beach seine on Malcolm Island [near Port McNeill on northern Vancouver Island] and I got approximately 100 of these little herring and they were not only bleeding from their fins, but their bellies, their chins, their eyeballs. These are very, very strong disease symptoms."

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08-30-2013, 02:40 PM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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That's definitely not good. damned.gif
08-30-2013, 02:49 PM #3
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Sorta strange. They sent samples to gov biologists but never got results back. Back in 2011 the provincial gov said testing wasn't necessary, but how do they know it isn't a problem unless they test? Persoanlly the salmon run here has been one of the best for years and I saw nothing wrong with the 60 or so salmon I helped clean and wrap... but I bought none for myself coffeetime.gif
08-30-2013, 03:25 PM #4
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Did you inspect all organs and skin when you were cleaning? If so, and you didn't see anything amiss, that's hopeful.

However with continuing population growth in China/India, increased energy needs, and increased pollution, there is little hope for the larger Pacific fish. sad2.gif

[/quote]However...Levels of mercury in Pacific Ocean fish are likely to rise over coming decades, say researchers who report they've discovered how mercury gets into open-ocean fish.[quote]

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/new...ocean-fish
08-30-2013, 03:37 PM #5
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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No, I didn't specifically look for anything wrong, not sure I'd know what to look for, but I didn't notice anything like hemmoraghing that was noted in the herring.
08-30-2013, 03:42 PM #6
Wicked Oblivion Member
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How dare those sabre rattling salmon use biological warfare to try and defeat the pacific herring! (*-*) better watch out or the united states will invade their aquatic country with nuclear submarines! and kill them off with underwater sonic blast waves! oh wait a minute they already did and they already are!
08-30-2013, 03:46 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-30-2013, 03:37 PM)Shadow Wrote:  No, I didn't specifically look for anything wrong, not sure I'd know what to look for, but I didn't notice anything like hemmoraghing that was noted in the herring.

From the little I've read, you would see spots (gray, reddish) on flesh - basically anything that does not look uniform in color or loss of skin or holes in skin, etc.
08-30-2013, 09:22 PM #8
オタマジャクシ Member
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(08-30-2013, 03:37 PM)Shadow Wrote:  No, I didn't specifically look for anything wrong, not sure I'd know what to look for, but I didn't notice anything like hemmoraghing that was noted in the herring.

I got approximately 100 of these little herring and they were not only bleeding from their fins, but their bellies, their chins, their eyeballs. These are very, very strong disease symptoms."

From the description above, if you look at the fins it should be bleeding obvious.
08-30-2013, 09:46 PM #9
Octo Mother Superior
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Up here the herring has such high levels of dioxin and PCB that it can't be exported according to EU. But we can eat it. damned.gif
The advise regarding eating wild salmon or herring for children, breastfeeding or pregnant women is limited to 2 - 3 times a year.

It's pretty bad. And invisible.
08-30-2013, 10:19 PM #10
オタマジャクシ Member
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Scandihoovians apparently have a higher tolerance for PCBs and Dioxin than the EU members.

Hmmm. Where is the Dioxin and PCB coming from?...
08-30-2013, 10:21 PM #11
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(08-30-2013, 09:22 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  From the description above, if you look at the fins it should be bleeding obvious.

You didn't read it through froggie, it's herrings that have the trobles and salmon I was handling.
08-30-2013, 10:56 PM #12
Octo Mother Superior
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(08-30-2013, 10:19 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  Scandihoovians apparently have a higher tolerance for PCBs and Dioxin than the EU members.

Hmmm. Where is the Dioxin and PCB coming from?...

All sorts of industries. Just take a look at the area and you'll see why this would be a sensitive area.

İmage

The Bay of Bothnia, which is the northernmost part of the Baltic Sea, is the basin for all rivers basically in northern Sweden and Finland. Notice that narrow gap there between Finland and Sweden (separating area 30 from 31)? It's called the Quark and it's most likely a natural hinder for water to freely flow. It's also a beautiful area, on the UNESCO world heritage list in fact.

The bay has brackish waters, with the lowest salinity in the Baltic Sea due to river inflows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bothnian_Bay

Contamination: (strömming=herring)
İmage

We live on the coast of area 31.

There's a lot of mining going on up there and that's partly the problem. Also there's a lot of industries on the coast that do their fair share in contaminating the waters. I'm sure things have got tons better since the 70s but dioxin doesn't care.

Old sins. sad2.gif
08-31-2013, 03:10 AM #13
オタマジャクシ Member
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(08-30-2013, 10:21 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-30-2013, 09:22 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  From the description above, if you look at the fins it should be bleeding obvious.

You didn't read it through froggie, it's herrings that have the trobles and salmon I was handling.

Yeah - I read through the article and the disease is threatening the salmon but attacking the herring.

You can tell if someone has been attacked by a mugger but it is hard to tell if they have been threatened - I suspect the salmon represent the same problem.
08-31-2013, 03:25 AM #14
Octo Mother Superior
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As salmon eat herring it's not unreasonable to ask if this is a condition that could be transferred to salmon.

Totally different scenario in the case I described as those toxins are accumulative and do present a real health threat.
08-31-2013, 05:28 AM #15
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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