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Do you all know what the Rapture is?
12-17-2013, 01:15 AM #31
Wayne5 Member
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(12-17-2013, 01:05 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 12:59 AM)Shadow Wrote:  I've heard of this thing called the rapture
where God will come down and capture
the pious and pure
It's in the brochure!
lmao.gif <---that's laughter

someone wont be chosen to go with god.. heathen scum.. merry christmas.. chuckle.gif

You may be COMPLETELY WRONG ribbon! That's part of the secret. Spoiler.
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12-17-2013, 01:25 AM #32
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(12-17-2013, 01:09 AM)Wayne5 Wrote:  pious and pure, where we going to find people that are pious and pure?
You made that up! rofl.gif

chuckle.gif of course I did, but isn't that a requirement to be raptured? 13.gif So that's why it never happened, nobody qualifies lmao.gif
Compassion is my religion.
12-17-2013, 01:26 AM #33
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How many lives have been lost in the name of compassion? chuckle.gif

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12-17-2013, 01:27 AM #34
White Ribbon call me
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whats this secret crap, wayne?

do you really think there is going to be a rapture?

it sounds and feels like a trap to me..

we as one with the universe are moving through into a new vibration/world/dimension/space that will be free of the bondage and slavery of organised religion and their history of blood and fear.. we only need our connection to ourselves and the universe.. its an organic, natural state and an organic universal process.. no bible prophecies needed..
12-17-2013, 01:34 AM #35
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(12-17-2013, 01:05 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  someone wont be chosen to go with god.. heathen scum.. merry christmas.. chuckle.gif

You just wish you could be
as piously idolatrous as me
I'm not a Finn
but I can still sin
And do it with pure glee beercheer.gif
12-17-2013, 01:35 AM #36
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(12-17-2013, 01:26 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  How many lives have been lost in the name of compassion? chuckle.gif

13.gif bleh.gif
12-17-2013, 03:25 AM #37
Wayne5 Member
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The Parable of the Ten Virgins

25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25

Ok here we go. The orthodox interpretation of this story is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. It always involves defining the virgins as the believers in Jesus, and the message is "be prepared".

First, the number 10, that is 5 foolish and 5 wise are symbolic. 10 is completeness, like a complete set. 5 doesn't mean half, it is symbolic of fleshly man. So don't get bent out of shape because of the numbers.

The Church, or believers, is always refereed to as the Bride. Why would they not think that's the case here?

The Bridegroom is Jesus, they get that right. The story is the last part of the first century Jewish wedding ceremony. It is a description of the Rapture. The abduction of the believers in Jesus.

So who are the virgins really? They are exactly who the story says they are, Jews. They are Jews, diligently waiting for the Messiah! The oil is the spirit of God. As Jesus Raptures the believers he brings a group of Jews who are watching for the Messiah, full of the spirit of God, and they come into the Wedding party as Bridesmaids!

They didn't know the Messiah would be Jesus. They are not part of the Church, but they go anyway. Its just like God to bring a remnant of Jude to the party.

The bias of the orthodox would not allow them to consider that someone other than Christians would go to heaven, much less Jews.

And that's not all! Other parables talk about "inviting people off the street to the party because the invited guests refused to come".

The secret is simple, when a bunch of people disappear from the Earth and the group is made up of Christians, Jews, Atheist, all kinds. The Church leaders will say the event "has nothing to do with the Bible" and things will go on as usual. No one will make the connection.


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12-17-2013, 03:37 AM #38
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(12-17-2013, 01:27 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  whats this secret crap, wayne?

do you really think there is going to be a rapture?

it sounds and feels like a trap to me..

we as one with the universe are moving through into a new vibration/world/dimension/space that will be free of the bondage and slavery of organised religion and their history of blood and fear.. we only need our connection to ourselves and the universe.. its an organic, natural state and an organic universal process.. no bible prophecies needed..

Where's your proof? You gotta have proof. Photo or it never happened or gonna happen coffeetime.gif

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12-17-2013, 03:55 AM #39
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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(12-17-2013, 03:37 AM)NODOOM Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 01:27 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  whats this secret crap, wayne?

do you really think there is going to be a rapture?

it sounds and feels like a trap to me..

we as one with the universe are moving through into a new vibration/world/dimension/space that will be free of the bondage and slavery of organised religion and their history of blood and fear.. we only need our connection to ourselves and the universe.. its an organic, natural state and an organic universal process.. no bible prophecies needed..

Where's your proof? You gotta have proof. Photo or it never happened or gonna happen coffeetime.gif

Its more of a wet dream. I dont think people blowing themselves up are giving up their faith anytime soon 13.gif
12-17-2013, 04:36 AM #40
White Ribbon call me
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(12-17-2013, 03:37 AM)NODOOM Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 01:27 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  whats this secret crap, wayne?

do you really think there is going to be a rapture?

it sounds and feels like a trap to me..

we as one with the universe are moving through into a new vibration/world/dimension/space that will be free of the bondage and slavery of organised religion and their history of blood and fear.. we only need our connection to ourselves and the universe.. its an organic, natural state and an organic universal process.. no bible prophecies needed..

Where's your proof? You gotta have proof. Photo or it never happened or gonna happen coffeetime.gif

meditate and connect to yourself. There is your proof. coffeetime.gif
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12-23-2013, 12:49 AM #41
miss dee Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-17-2013, 03:25 AM)Wayne5 Wrote:  The Parable of the Ten Virgins

25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25

Ok here we go. The orthodox interpretation of this story is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. It always involves defining the virgins as the believers in Jesus, and the message is "be prepared".

First, the number 10, that is 5 foolish and 5 wise are symbolic. 10 is completeness, like a complete set. 5 doesn't mean half, it is symbolic of fleshly man. So don't get bent out of shape because of the numbers.

The Church, or believers, is always refereed to as the Bride. Why would they not think that's the case here?

The Bridegroom is Jesus, they get that right. The story is the last part of the first century Jewish wedding ceremony. It is a description of the Rapture. The abduction of the believers in Jesus.

So who are the virgins really? They are exactly who the story says they are, Jews. They are Jews, diligently waiting for the Messiah! The oil is the spirit of God. As Jesus Raptures the believers he brings a group of Jews who are watching for the Messiah, full of the spirit of God, and they come into the Wedding party as Bridesmaids!

They didn't know the Messiah would be Jesus. They are not part of the Church, but they go anyway. Its just like God to bring a remnant of Jude to the party.

The bias of the orthodox would not allow them to consider that someone other than Christians would go to heaven, much less Jews.

And that's not all! Other parables talk about "inviting people off the street to the party because the invited guests refused to come".

The secret is simple, when a bunch of people disappear from the Earth and the group is made up of Christians, Jews, Atheist, all kinds. The Church leaders will say the event "has nothing to do with the Bible" and things will go on as usual. No one will make the connection.


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hi wayne,im really enjoying the thread.ive always wondered about the verse that says something like;a man got into the wedding without his wedding garment.he was discovered and cast into outer darkness where they will be gnashing of teeth.....so this guy actually made it into the wedding,before being cast into darkness.can you explain this for me as its always been a big mystery......cheers mate,keep looking up!cheers.gif
12-23-2013, 05:04 AM #42
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Nice to meet you miss dee! Opinions, everyone's got one, and I have mine. Here we go!

And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come. Again he sent other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, Behold, I have made ready my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves are killed, and everything is ready; come to the marriage feast.' But they made light of it and went off, one to his farm, another to his business, while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them. The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city." (Matthew 22:1-7 RSV)
(just using this site to get the scripture, nothing else)
http://www.raystedman.org/thematic-studi...ce-to-live

Just being a believer in Jesus doesn't mean that you will go in the Rapture, IMHO. You have to want to go. You get what you believe (so believe what you want!). We should respect the beliefs of others not make light of them, I am not making light of people that disagree with me here. The last part is a warning Not just about murder but about verbal murder, the angels will raise up prophets that will "tell them what they want to hear" sealing their fate.

"Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those invited were not worthy. Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.' And those servants went out into the streets and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with guests." (Matthew 22:8-10 RSV)

Gay people, Black people, Mormons, Christians, Atheist, even some white people, people from all over the world. chuckle.gif This is why the Rapture will not be recognized.

"But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment; and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless. Then the king said to the attendants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.' For many are called, but few are chosen." (Matthew 22:11-14 RSV)

The "garment" is a heavenly body. Some people will be taken in spirit only, their bodies will be left behind, most will be changed and there will be no trace of them. The spirits will be provided "garments" but not all will choose to inhabit them. The "outer darkness" is part of the geography of Heaven and Hell. It is a bad place but not the worst place. The NT talks about many places in hell other than fiery pits. "Bind him hand and foot" just means that he will be unable to leave and unable to change his condition mainly because he will be in "darkness" he won't even be aware that heaven exist.

"For many are called, but few are chosen" this is part of the paradox of free will and the providence of God. It is rhetorical, the ones that were called were unworthy because they didn't believe. They didn't believe because they didn't ask. They didn't ask because God didn't choose to cause them to desperately desire a conversational relationship with God.

Christan leaders of today limit God. They are "bound" by their dogma. Jesus purchased the field to get the treasure. He owns the field and the treasure so he can do what he wants with both. The field and the treasure are all of mankind. He has the right to bring an Atheist to heaven if he wants.

miss dee, it is truely amazing that we can talk "one way" to the most powerful being in the universe. Its like using a walkie talkie, we push the button and talk away. Most of us never take our finger off the button, so we can never receive a response. I just took my finger off the button one day and He talked back. I'm still kinda of figuring it out. He's not vary chatty, He says a word or a phrase. He has a wonderful sense of humor (I'm usually the object of the joke.) I complain a lot and He complains about me complaining.

I ask Him one day "Why does Peter, James and Paul tell us not to say that You test us?
There's talk all through the Bible about testing."

Paraphrasing He said "wayne5, you build electronic boards, say you build 100 of them, then you test them before you ship them because you don't know if they work or not. I already know. I don't need to test them" For the first time it made sense.

And here is another mystery, When I was writing this thread I was thinking the whole time about someone reading it I had never heard of. A woman, academic, sometimes working for government agencies, Not one of those MIB's , could be working for the Agriculture Department for all I know. I'm kinda of surprised because you don't sound like her maybe I just missed it or maybe she will show up later.

I think this answer makes everything perfectly clear. rofl.gif
Any think else I can help you with?
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12-23-2013, 08:17 AM #43
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(12-17-2013, 01:05 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 12:59 AM)Shadow Wrote:  I've heard of this thing called the rapture
where God will come down and capture
the pious and pure
It's in the brochure!
lmao.gif <---that's laughter

someone wont be chosen to go with god.. heathen scum.. merry christmas.. chuckle.gif

Homo scum.
12-23-2013, 10:02 AM #44
White Ribbon call me
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(12-23-2013, 08:17 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 01:05 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(12-17-2013, 12:59 AM)Shadow Wrote:  I've heard of this thing called the rapture
where God will come down and capture
the pious and pure
It's in the brochure!
lmao.gif <---that's laughter

someone wont be chosen to go with god.. heathen scum.. merry christmas.. chuckle.gif

Homo scum.

i love it when you talk all sexy with me.. turning me on like its christmas (kissmyass) chuckle.gif
12-23-2013, 12:25 PM #45
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(12-16-2013, 02:14 PM)j browsing Wrote:  
(12-16-2013, 12:37 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:  
(12-16-2013, 08:16 AM)CuckooKill Wrote:  Rapture is not biblical. It was thought up in the 17th century.

Uhmmm...not really. The Apostle Paul taught it in several of his letters that are included in the canon of scripture, in particular, Thessalonians. It was also taught in the first centuries of the early church, before the church (of Rome) became the government sponsored ~ then it wasn't so popular to peddle anything antagonistic to earthy rule/control. (Sound familiar??)

Wayne ~ you know that even kittens won't save this thread?

İmage

so where is the word rapture used in the bible? you won't find it..it is a phoney baloney teaching ..oh I know the same moron snake oil preachers that preach of a prosperity doctrine have used this so called rapture nonsense to their advantage and also how they have used the book of revelation for gain by spinning the writtings into something so horrific that brain washed believers will swallow and contribute tons of cash to their ministries thinking that they will be taken up to avoid the tribulation lmao.gif we should love one another and not be worried or troubled about our future

Well, the word Bible isn't in the Bible either ~ we also happen to be conversing in English ~ and scripture wasn't originally penned in King James English.

The word in the Greek is ἁρπάζω (harpázō) and it means to seize, carry off by force, to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly or to snatch out or away. It was rendered "rapiemur' in the Latin and 'caught up' in the English.

When one logically thinks about the situation, something like a 'rapture' would have to take place eventually just to sort the living from the dead at the final tally, eh?



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