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Do you all know what the Rapture is?
12-23-2013, 12:41 PM #46
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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Comments on a few posts without quoting:

The concept of the Rapture is a finer point of eschatology. There are no bonus points in believing it or not.

Christ did not come and accomplish His work on the cross to make bad men good ~ but rather, to make dead men live.

In 1Thessalonians 4:15 the Apostle Paul wrote “according to the Lord’s own word” when he spoke about the rapture. So...it would have to be somewhere in scripture, right? Jesus never mentioned it and New Testament canon wasn't written then so it would necessarily need to be somewhere in the Old?

Isaiah 26:19-21

19Your dead will live;
Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the dawn,
And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

20Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.

21For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain.
12-23-2013, 03:49 PM #47
j browsing Member
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religi...3/postsThe dead will be raised. ``The Christian creed---the profession of our faith in God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and in God's creative, saving, and sanctifying action---culminates in the proclamation of the resurrection of the dead on the last day and in life everlasting'' (988). What does it mean to be resurrected? In death, body and soul are separated, and the body decays. In the resurrection, the body will be granted ``incorruptible life'' by being reunited with the soul (997).

When Jesus was raised from the dead with His own body---He still had the scars of His crucifixion, which the disciples could physically touch---His body no longer experienced a merely ``earthly life'' (999). It was a ``glorified body'' (997), transformed in such a way that it could exercise new abilities such as passing through physical barriers. But it retained its former capabilities, such as the ability to eat.

When we are raised, ``Christ `will change our lowly body to be like His glorious body,' into a `spiritual body'" (999). Exactly how this happens ``exceeds our imagination and understanding; it is accessible only to faith'' (1000). But it will surely take place ``definitively `at the last day,' `at the end of the world,' " in close association with Christ's appearing (1001).

Christ will judge the living and the dead, and the Evil One and his allies will at last be utterly overthrown. ``God's triumph over evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world'' (677; see also 1038--1041). Again, we have reviewed in earlier chapters a number of scriptural passages that attest to this truth. As the God-Man who conquered death and the Devil, Jesus alone is worthy to judge the earth and bring a definitive end to its wickedness. ``Jesus solemnly proclaims that He `will send His angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,' and that He will pronounce the condemnation: `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!' '' (1034).

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12-23-2013, 03:57 PM #48
j browsing Member
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this is the last on this subject I will post..I am saddened to see this topic on the forum..i was under the impression that we steer away from religious beliefs or non beliefs for that matter

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12-23-2013, 05:34 PM #49
Wayne5 Member
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(12-23-2013, 03:57 PM)j browsing Wrote:  this is the last on this subject I will post..I am saddened to see this topic on the forum..i was under the impression that we steer away from religious beliefs or non beliefs for that matter

JB you didn't have to read it. I think that's what you told me. Be that as it may, I am sorry that you are saddened and I will try to bring you up by posting some secular articles.
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12-23-2013, 05:52 PM #50
Wayne5 Member
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DAJ,

I know what "eschatology" is. I just don't agree with your eschatology. God confounds the wise.

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12-23-2013, 08:20 PM #51
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(12-23-2013, 05:52 PM)Wayne5 Wrote:  DAJ,

I know what "eschatology" is. I just don't agree with your eschatology. God confounds the wise.

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Uh, Wayne ~ I have not put forth eschatology, per se. And, to boot, I don't "have" any of my own. I do happen to espouse a dispensational, Pre-tribulational, Pre-Millenialism view.

And yes, God may confound the wise but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
12-23-2013, 09:07 PM #52
Wayne5 Member
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This quote:

"The concept of the Rapture is a finer point of eschatology. There are no bonus points in believing it or not."

IS eschatology.

I disagree. Believing is essential to going for believers in Jesus. I believe that some will know but will stay by choice. Some will stay because they believe they will stay. And Some are chosen to stay. Some Jews will be chosen to go. Some people that don't even like God will be chosen to go.

I said in the beginning of this thread that people would hear something that they would not hear any where else. I believe I have done that.

Some think that all truth can be gained by an intellectual analysis of the text. This process breaks down on some subjects because the truth is deliberately obscured in order to keep it secret. This is why I said the thread would contain conspiracy. This is why the wise are confounded. They are required to have humility and step out on faith to a place that their footing is unsure. The wise find it very uncomfortable to hear from God directly. rofl.gif

Hay man, thanks for reading, we agree on most things. Time will tell. Peace.
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