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FLORIDA: Bible, schmible - this man exorcised demons with a frying pan and a pipe!
07-21-2018, 08:01 AM #31
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07-21-2018, 08:05 AM #32
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Sounds like something people might do in Virginia or maybe Florida with their kids.

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07-21-2018, 09:06 AM #33
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rofl.gif Good times.
07-23-2018, 04:24 PM #34
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(07-20-2018, 12:11 PM)neel Wrote:  
(07-19-2018, 01:49 PM)Strigoi Wrote:  
(07-19-2018, 01:08 PM)neel Wrote:  
(07-18-2018, 04:44 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I can't say because I've never had to live with a demon, so I don't know if ignoring it is possible or not. Don't they feed off fear or negative emotions? Wouldn't ignoring them not feed the devil, so to speak?

Just got an update, after months the second woman and my son's cl wife are going to try the sage cleansing today - just coincidental that's happening and I'm posting about it now?  Divine intervention or satanbitch.gif

damned.gif I'm freaking myself out here.

Anyway, can anyone confirm how to sage cleanse a home. What I instructed them to do is to open all doors and windows in the house, then start in the basement and work their way up into the attic, right up into the attic.

"I can't say because I've never had to live with a demon, so I don't know if ignoring it is possible or not. Don't they feed off fear or negative emotions? Wouldn't ignoring them not feed the devil, so to speak?"

Difficult to figure out their craft to tell you the truth and I don't believe it's all reciprocal/echo.  All "family" members; I live with one.  Probably archontic actors.  It can get there spiritually...depends on what they're doing and the amount of lies they're telling about it.  

You want a demon shadowing you and doing black magic against you in your own damn house?  Probably not.  String of bad luck in your life?  You have that but can't perceive it.  You can only see it in the Spirit (middle) otherwise you only see the effects.

Hold on, they were a Gnostic Christian sect, are you implying they do something to cause demonic entities to attach to them? Am I following?

Archon=fallen spirit (elohim=fallen and unfallen Gods).  It's in the new age mythology that they will imitate/be imposters of relatives to try and make you reincarnate into the environment.  It might be something similar to that.

As in: a demon (fallen thought/archetype) uses your mental image of the person to try and engineer an outcome/replicate themselves into their "planned" new identity for you.  I can vouch for that in this (gangstalking).  It's in the NT if you understand the spiritual.

You will only understand these things if you know just about everything.

Gnostic doctrine is correct regarding the demiurge to what I've read but also requires knowing/experience.  Humans will always have fallen spirit attachments/demonic attacks because it's a fallen world...basis for the flesh world in full is fallen because it requires black rock to produce the dimensions when astral light is filtered through it (like the floyd album color).  If you're in the flesh, you are in a fallen world.  Black rock means little to no light in the pineal gland of the host (God).  GOD is something far different.

Maybe I'm mistaken about the concept of the black rock (it might have to do with fallen "living stones").  They make implications with the white stones and the black stones (also in the bible).  

Spiritual stuff will drive you crazy by their intent...they intend to do it "break the stone" so to speak.  Shatter your faith but the faith they shatter is only in the one pretending to be GOD.

I checked to respond to this.  These things are very real and there is no real "rulebook" for it.

Now I tend to keep an open mind regarding spirituality, but when religious beliefs are thrown in, then I have to step back and do some research. Here's an exorcist (not a Catholic priest) who claims he has never experienced anything supernatural or unexplainable. What he has experienced is that the people appear to him to be emotionally troubled.

I once joined a class held by a Shaman who showed us in how to expel negative energies along with teaching us how to contact our spirit animal and so I use that and other techniques such as sage for cleansing, which work well for me in expelling negative energies, but a I said before, I have never encountered what people would describe as demonic forces.

Quote:While many Americans think of real exorcisms as relics of the Dark Ages, exorcisms continue to be performed, often on people who are emotionally and mentally disturbed. Whether those undergoing the exorcism are truly possessed by spirits or demons is another matter entirely. Exorcisms are done on people of strong religious faith. To the extent that exorcisms "work," it is due to the power of suggestion and psychology: If you believe you're possessed (and that an exorcism will cure you), then it just might.

Quote:Along with a handful of Vatican-sanctioned exorcists, there are hundreds of self-styled exorcists around the world. After attending 50 exorcisms during research for his book, Michael Cuneo states that he never saw anything supernatural or unexplainable: No levitation or spinning heads or demonic scratch marks suddenly appearing on anyone's faces, but many emotionally troubled people on both sides of the ritual.

Quote:And on Christmas Day 2010 in London, England, a 14-year-old boy named Kristy Bamu was beaten and drowned to death by relatives trying to exorcise an evil spirit from the boy.

https://www.livescience.com/27727-exorci...ction.html
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07-23-2018, 04:38 PM #35
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(07-23-2018, 04:24 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Here's an exorcist (not a Catholic priest) who claims he has never experienced anything supernatural or unexplainable. What he has experienced is that the people appear to him to be emotionally troubled.

Congratulations, you found the worlds worst exorcist and quoted him.
07-23-2018, 04:46 PM #36
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(07-23-2018, 04:38 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(07-23-2018, 04:24 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Here's an exorcist (not a Catholic priest) who claims he has never experienced anything supernatural or unexplainable. What he has experienced is that the people appear to him to be emotionally troubled.

Congratulations, you found the worlds worst exorcist and quoted him.

No, livescience interviewed him because he has a great deal of experience.
07-23-2018, 04:53 PM #37
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Never experienced anything supernatural or unexplained, does that make them an expert?
The Vatican has opened its doors for its annual exorcism course to 250 a year, it's not because they like to play exorcist.
These self styled individuals do more harm than good.
Have you ever read The Demonologist: The Extraordinary Career of Ed and Lorraine Warren?
Here's a free pdf http://oceanofpdf.com/pdf-epub-the-demon...-download/

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07-23-2018, 05:11 PM #38
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(07-23-2018, 04:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Never experienced anything supernatural or unexplained, does that make them an expert?

I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest. Priests seem to use prayer to bind the demon to God, this is exorcism, but they also perform what is called deliverance. All in all, I do not dismiss the idea that it is a form of psychosis.

Here's more in-depth study on this topic, that I am getting into and the further I get into it, the more I think that psychological intervention is necessary as the first step to rule out schizophrenia or a repercussion from brain injury, or religious dogma mixed in with emotional problems.

Quote:I spoke with Father McAlear for almost three hours, and for the greater portion of the conversation I was struck by a nagging thought. Was it possible that this talented and articulate man, who had been so major an influence in American Catholic deliverance ministry, didn’t actually believe in demons? Or, at least, didn’t believe in them in a strictly literal sense? Was “demonization,” in his usage, simply a metaphor for psychological and emotional sickness, or for old-fashioned sin? In his deliverance ministry had he simply been meeting true-believing charismatics on their own ground, binding (and then expelling) imaginary demons as a way of getting at the real problems of mind and heart? And if McAlear was a metaphorist, might not others I had interviewed also be?

https://thevalueofsparrows.com/2014/10/1...w-cuneo/2/

The deliverance prayer -

Quote:In the course of healing prayer I’ll also pray aloud this deliverance prayer: ‘If there is anything here ? not of the Lord Jesus Christ, I bind that in his name and cast it into the fires of his heart.'
07-23-2018, 06:15 PM #39
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Never dealt with possession first hand in any form, but I would recommend reading that pdf link.
Ed and Lorraine Warren, are the world’s most famous and respected demonologists, their books are fascinating.

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07-23-2018, 08:24 PM #40
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Not an Uncle joke seriously, but I had one that published a couple of books dealing with UFOs, demons and Bigfoot! All in the same book!
He believed that they were all connected somehow, idk I never read any of them, but they are still available on Amazon for a couple of bucks a piece.
LOL
I believe that he only wrote them for the money and later dropped the idea after the became wealthy in the oil industry.
So much for religious people.

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07-23-2018, 08:51 PM #41
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(07-23-2018, 05:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest.

I think the point was that if he has never seen anything supernatural and chalks it up to mental issues then he is not an exorcist at all. He is pretending to be one for some type of mental health treatment.

I am speaking of the life of a man who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children; who has undertaken to cherish it and do it no damage, not because he is duty-bound, but because he loves the world and loves his children… - Wendell Berry, 1971
07-23-2018, 08:58 PM #42
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What a great show.

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07-23-2018, 09:00 PM #43
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(07-23-2018, 08:51 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(07-23-2018, 05:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest.

I think the point was that if he has never seen anything supernatural and chalks it up to mental issues then he is not an exorcist at all. He is pretending to be one for some type of mental health treatment.

I think the whole point here is that we should first rule out mental illness or other reasons (electrical shorts) why one would assume spirit/demonic activity when evidence of spiritual activity cannot be found. How many ghost hunters go into the people's homes and find no evidence of spiritual activity? How many Priests cleanse homes and perform deliverance/exorcisms without first determining mental illness or religious fanaticism?
07-23-2018, 09:02 PM #44
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Keep in mind that the beings that are known as demons today have only been called that since Christianity began. Before that they were the gods of other people and were demonized by the church to keep people from worshiping them. Places that were able to resist the church, such as the Hindu of India, still have people worshiping their old gods. If the church had been able to conquer them then all of their gods would now be demons also.

That is not to downplay the experiences of other. Not at all.

Coincidentally, JR and I happen to have a running PM where we are discussing this subject as it is related to sleep paralysis. These beings often appear during these episodes but appear as different beings (old hag, demons, etc) depending on where it takes place. I was wondering if perhaps these are beings from another dimension who appear as something feared by the individual.

Whatever they are they predate written history. Before that we only have cave paintings and they depict alien looking beings but no demonic looking beings.

I am speaking of the life of a man who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children; who has undertaken to cherish it and do it no damage, not because he is duty-bound, but because he loves the world and loves his children… - Wendell Berry, 1971
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