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FLORIDA: Bible, schmible - this man exorcised demons with a frying pan and a pipe!
07-23-2018, 05:11 PM #31
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(07-23-2018, 04:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Never experienced anything supernatural or unexplained, does that make them an expert?

I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest. Priests seem to use prayer to bind the demon to God, this is exorcism, but they also perform what is called deliverance. All in all, I do not dismiss the idea that it is a form of psychosis.

Here's more in-depth study on this topic, that I am getting into and the further I get into it, the more I think that psychological intervention is necessary as the first step to rule out schizophrenia or a repercussion from brain injury, or religious dogma mixed in with emotional problems.

Quote:I spoke with Father McAlear for almost three hours, and for the greater portion of the conversation I was struck by a nagging thought. Was it possible that this talented and articulate man, who had been so major an influence in American Catholic deliverance ministry, didn’t actually believe in demons? Or, at least, didn’t believe in them in a strictly literal sense? Was “demonization,” in his usage, simply a metaphor for psychological and emotional sickness, or for old-fashioned sin? In his deliverance ministry had he simply been meeting true-believing charismatics on their own ground, binding (and then expelling) imaginary demons as a way of getting at the real problems of mind and heart? And if McAlear was a metaphorist, might not others I had interviewed also be?

https://thevalueofsparrows.com/2014/10/1...w-cuneo/2/

The deliverance prayer -

Quote:In the course of healing prayer I’ll also pray aloud this deliverance prayer: ‘If there is anything here ? not of the Lord Jesus Christ, I bind that in his name and cast it into the fires of his heart.'
07-23-2018, 06:15 PM #32
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Never dealt with possession first hand in any form, but I would recommend reading that pdf link.
Ed and Lorraine Warren, are the world’s most famous and respected demonologists, their books are fascinating.

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07-23-2018, 08:51 PM #33
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(07-23-2018, 05:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest.

I think the point was that if he has never seen anything supernatural and chalks it up to mental issues then he is not an exorcist at all. He is pretending to be one for some type of mental health treatment.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
07-23-2018, 09:00 PM #34
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(07-23-2018, 08:51 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(07-23-2018, 05:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I didn't say he was an expert, but he is very experienced in performing exorcisms, moreso than anyone else I've read so far that is not a Priest.

I think the point was that if he has never seen anything supernatural and chalks it up to mental issues then he is not an exorcist at all. He is pretending to be one for some type of mental health treatment.

I think the whole point here is that we should first rule out mental illness or other reasons (electrical shorts) why one would assume spirit/demonic activity when evidence of spiritual activity cannot be found. How many ghost hunters go into the people's homes and find no evidence of spiritual activity? How many Priests cleanse homes and perform deliverance/exorcisms without first determining mental illness or religious fanaticism?
07-23-2018, 09:02 PM #35
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Keep in mind that the beings that are known as demons today have only been called that since Christianity began. Before that they were the gods of other people and were demonized by the church to keep people from worshiping them. Places that were able to resist the church, such as the Hindu of India, still have people worshiping their old gods. If the church had been able to conquer them then all of their gods would now be demons also.

That is not to downplay the experiences of other. Not at all.

Coincidentally, JR and I happen to have a running PM where we are discussing this subject as it is related to sleep paralysis. These beings often appear during these episodes but appear as different beings (old hag, demons, etc) depending on where it takes place. I was wondering if perhaps these are beings from another dimension who appear as something feared by the individual.

Whatever they are they predate written history. Before that we only have cave paintings and they depict alien looking beings but no demonic looking beings.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
07-23-2018, 09:52 PM #36
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(07-23-2018, 09:02 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  Keep in mind that the beings that are known as demons today have only been called that since Christianity began. Before that they were the gods of other people and were demonized by the church to keep people from worshiping them. Places that were able to resist the church, such as the Hindu of India, still have people worshiping their old gods. If the church had been able to conquer them then all of their gods would now be demons also.

That is not to downplay the experiences of other. Not at all.

Coincidentally, JR and I happen to have a running PM where we are discussing this subject as it is related to sleep paralysis. These beings often appear during these episodes but appear as different beings (old hag, demons, etc)  depending on where it takes place. I was wondering if perhaps these are beings from another dimension who appear as something feared by the individual.

Whatever they are they predate written history. Before that we only have cave paintings and they depict alien looking beings but no demonic looking beings.

There's plenty of El Diablo goodness in petroglyphs.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&b...wuoxwCzNlA

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07-23-2018, 09:59 PM #37
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That's crazy,
Some shown on that page turned out to be in a Washington state park only miles away from where we live and I've never heard of them before.
Thanks for posting that!
07-23-2018, 10:49 PM #38
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07-23-2018, 11:31 PM #39
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Most of them look like aliens to me. The horned dude... ehhh... maybe. The robe makes it look like a guy in a costume. Still, maybe. The floating heart face with the waves coming out of its mouth? Well that one is intriguing.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
07-24-2018, 09:02 AM #40
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Yeah they are out there, and not the "koind" commonly seen on Ancient Aliens. [Image: MXOrAoF.jpg]

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07-24-2018, 12:17 PM #41
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chuckle.gif The authority on petroglyphs.
07-24-2018, 07:23 PM #42
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(07-24-2018, 09:02 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Yeah they are out there, and not the "koind" commonly seen on Ancient Aliens.

Those disinfo assholes grate on my nerves. 13.gif

So I was just talking to my daughter about this and she told me something very interesting.

She has had an encounter with the hag. In her encounter the being was more of a shrouded mist type creature. (I think their look varies according to what the people of different areas might be afraid of.) It was doing all the same things, sitting on her chest and holding her down and choking her, except it was making a sort of growling type sound. But it gets better. There was also a hat wearing shadow dude in her room with two other shadow beings. She heard the hat dude sort of yelling at the hag and the hag turned and looked at him. Then it "growled" even louder and vanished. After that the shadow dudes walked/moved over to her and the hat dude put his hand on her chest and whispered something. She said she was instantly filled with calm and fell asleep.

Then she told me about another encounter where she woke up and there was a yellow eyed cat sitting on her chest and there was a shadowy woman in her room. She said the woman's hair and clothes were flowing as if she were under water. The woman moved over to her, smiled and spoke to her saying something about darling child and began stroking her cheek. The cat also started stroking her face and then laid down on her chest. She said she was filled with and overwhelming calm and love and fell asleep.

She also has bad experiences where the shadow beings are not there and she would end up with a lot of bruising ans even scratches. She has had many such experiences which is why she stays up all night and sleeps during the day. They always happen at night.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
07-24-2018, 08:03 PM #43
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Very strange goings on.

Does anybody recall this little gem...

https://kritterbox.com/Topic-Has-anybody...visitation

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07-24-2018, 10:11 PM #44
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(03-06-2011, 04:35 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's one of the wierdist  things I've ever experienced. First time it happened I saw two red eyes outside the bedroom window, which proceeded to enter the room and overwhelm me, I could not move.  It was a big black female thing with wings that sat on me in a sexually gratifying manner and laughed while it...nevermind.
I had a series of dreams throughout the next few days that I vomited snakes and frogs.wtf2.gif
Incubus.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
07-24-2018, 11:11 PM #45
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That was an extraordinary period, was so scared to go to sleep after that, even in the day.

I prayed.

I prayed a lot.

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