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Federal Jury Convicts Liberty Dollar Group of “Domestic Terrorism.” Only the Fed Can Issue Money!
03-19-2011, 10:07 PM #1
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Quote:Asheville NC-

The leader of a group that marketed a fake currency called Liberty Dollars in the Asheville area and elsewhere has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.”

Bernard von NotHaus was convicted Friday at the conclusion of an eight-day trial in U.S. District Court in Statesville. The jury deliberated less than two hours, according to the Department of Justice.

Charges remain pending against William Kevin Innes, an Asheville man who authorities said recruited merchants in Western North Carolina willing to accept the “barter” currency, according to court records. Innes was indicted along with von NotHaus in 2009.

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”

The case was investigated by the FBI, Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office and U.S. Secret Service with help from the U.S. Mint.

“We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government,”
Read it all at http://www.citizen-times.com

The United States Constitution explicitly gives congress the full authority to coin and print money. Why I ask you is the private bank and printing press known as the Fed not being convicted of domestic terrorism?
I don't see the difference here.

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03-19-2011, 10:11 PM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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That's a real juicy can of worms JR scream.gif Domestic terrorism?!?
03-19-2011, 10:13 PM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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So I guess the only way for the Feds to legally be able to print money in the US is that they OWN congress? fatman.gif
03-19-2011, 10:20 PM #4
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Congress has actually tried at various times over the years to have the Fed disbanded. With a few exceptions, (for example; Ron Paul) it normally results in those congressmen losing their seats.
So yes, it is logical to assume they are...
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03-19-2011, 11:12 PM #5
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[/quote]10 US States Have Introduced Gold As Currency
Legislators in at least ten states have introduced bills in the past few years to allow state commerce to be conducted with gold and silver. As we reported, Georgia state Rep. Bobby Franklin ® recently reintroduced legislation to force his state to conduct all monetary transactions with U.S. gold or silver coins — including the payment of taxes. The Georgia bill has a long way to go before become law
Quote:http://www.cnewsworld.com/world-news/10-...-currency/

[quote]The Georgia bill has a long way to go before become law — but it’s by no means the only state that’s considering a future in gold. Lawmakers in Montana, Missouri, Colorado,Idaho, Indiana, New Hampshire, South Carolina,Utah, and Washington have proposed legislation, mostly in 2009, to include gold and silver in its accepted currency forms.
explains:

The United States Constitution declares, in Article I, Section 10, “No State shall… make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts”. But, in fact, EVERY state in the United States of America DOES make some other “Thing” besides gold and silver coin a “Tender in Payment of Debts” — some “Thing” called “Federal Reserve Notes.” Thus the need for the “Constitutional Tender Act” — a bill template that can be introduced in every state legislature in the nation, returning each of them to adherence to the United States Constitution’s actual legal tender provisions.

Seems like the FED want to stop this now before it spreads. People are starting to see the writing on the wall for the dollar and want to back another fiat currency or return to the gold standard on a state level. Localism over globalism. States are trying to default from the dollar, before the FED does it. A race to the bottom, 'working' people are trying to protect there hard earned assets. Before their striped of them by the FED.

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/04/us...r-own.html

Quote:U.S. states start to print their own currencies

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/04/us...r-own.html

The idea, borrowed from the Depression era when the currencies were known as "scrip", is designed to boost local spending and keep money circulating within the community.

Typically, a group of businesses print a new currency which shoppers can then buy at a discount – typically one dollar will cost 90 to 95 cents – and spend at full value with participating companies.

Some of the currencies have been around for years but the recent economic downturn has encouraged others to follow suit. According to some estimates, there are now more than 75 local currency systems across the country.

Others include the Ithaca Hours in upstate New York and the Plenty in North Carolina.

Under US law, small communities can produce their own currency so long as it does not include coins and does not resemble federally-issued money.

The currencies are not a tax dodge as the income to participating businesses is liable to tax.


In Traverse City, Michigan, more than 100 businesses accept Bay Backs, among them restaurants, B&Bs, a doctor, accountant and even a tarot card reader.

Around $2 million worth of BerkShares – the most established local currency – is circulating in the Berkshires, a rural area in southern Massachusetts

The above blog is from '09, I have read that now in '11 there are around 150 local currencies in the US.

'Legally' speaking (which, when you consider the actions of the US Gov is laughable) When Bernard, started to mint coins he did break the law. You can create your own currencies, as long as its not coins or looks similar to FED notes.

That market of fake dollar notes that are indistinguishable from the real thing is controlled by this man.

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03-19-2011, 11:56 PM #6
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Quote:Seems like the FED want to stop this now before it spreads. People are starting to see the writing on the wall for the dollar and want to back another fiat currency or return to the gold standard on a state level. Localism over globalism. States are trying to default from the dollar, before the FED does it. A race to the bottom, 'working' people are trying to protect there hard earned assets. Before their striped of them by the FED.

Thats what begins to happen when citizens and local governments become disenfranchised by our Hollywood smoke and mirrors institution. It's just about game over. coffeetime.gif

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03-20-2011, 12:13 AM #7
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G'mornin' "P"


I like that statement: Legally you can make your own money

yes, you can make money

with or without anyone else's permission

However, if the department of justice in the U.S. wants you in a cell

you are going into a cell,,, legal or not

I, had enough Gold, to run my own country

U.S. Government, decided, it was to be taken away from me, and "THAT", they did full blown
illegally .

25 years and still without a clue where that gold is.

Legally, a Person can be the ruler of his own country

However, Hussien,,, Kadafi, and many others have found out
Legal or not,,,
if the U.S. does not want you to run your own country

Then, they will kill your ass dead.
Sadam right now in his cell in hell, can swear to you that it is TRUE.

Earthlings have a dire situation to work out

First Problem to tackle is
figure a legal way to solve the problem

second problem, figure out how to implement the solution without the U.S. Government
killing you or putting you in a cell because the government swears anything "YOU" do is Illegal.
03-20-2011, 02:49 AM #8
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Here in the UK we have the similar problems. If you find gold/treasure by law it belongs to the
crown, Queen Elisabeth II. After you hand it over to state authorities, its valued and you are then given a small percentage of the value in pounds sterling.

03-20-2011, 04:18 AM #9
yankees skier
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Just use Canadian Dollars or Euro's. cheers.gif
03-20-2011, 04:58 AM #10
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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03-20-2011, 12:39 PM #11
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...and the ECB is different how..?


Geeez, people have no idea, the sort of black box the suit-and-ties
build between them and the financial elite.

Like Clearstream, for instance...there for sweet lubrication of international
transaction.
"...to bring greater transparency" Muahhahhahhahhahhahh!!!!!!
They seem to handle assets bigger than the entire European real estate.
I mean - all of it.
And whenever anything shady goes public because of some unfortunate
slip-up, the lawyers and judges all come from the same (extended) black box.

Steal a 5€ bill as a slaveclass member - go to jail.
Swindle millions as mr Sarkozy - become President.
Same as it ever was.

Bollocks.
03-20-2011, 04:48 PM #12
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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The laws are not applicable to those at the top. The elite and their puppet politicians and bankers break the laws and nobody goes to jail.

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03-20-2011, 05:16 PM #13
Octo Mother Superior
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(03-20-2011, 12:39 PM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  Steal a 5€ bill as a slaveclass member - go to jail.
Swindle millions as mr Sarkozy - become President.
Same as it ever was.

Bollocks.


no shït! And rape a few children on the way gaah.gif



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