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Finally I asked her: what do you think I fought for in Omaha Beach?
12-24-2013, 06:49 AM #1
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The woman at my polling place asked me do I believe in equality for gay and lesbian people. I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me. Finally I asked her: what do you think I fought for in Omaha Beach?





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12-24-2013, 08:05 AM #2
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There are beaches in Nebraska?
12-24-2013, 08:05 AM #3
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The argument made is an example of someone trying to equate rights with licenses.

Marriage is not a right. It is a license. That's why they call it a "marriage license." To get a license, one must meet the qualifications of the license. Until recently, the requirement was that it must be a male and a female of a certain age, who were mentally competent and without sexually transmitted diseases. As Phil Robertson noted d!cks and anuses don't go together as well as d!cks and vaginas.

BTW, arguments are now being made in court for polygamy. The homosexual community argument that it was preposterous to equate the homosexuality and polygamy when it came to marriage.

But now it is in the courts! Where is the homosexual community now? Where is their apology?

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12-24-2013, 09:31 AM #4
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(12-24-2013, 08:05 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  The argument made is an example of someone trying to equate rights with licenses.

Marriage is not a right. It is a license. That's why they call it a "marriage license." To get a license, one must meet the qualifications of the license. Until recently, the requirement was that it must be a male and a female of a certain age, who were mentally competent and without sexually transmitted diseases. As Phil Robertson noted d!cks and anuses don't go together as well as d!cks and vaginas.

BTW, arguments are now being made in court for polygamy. The homosexual community argument that it was preposterous to equate the homosexuality and polygamy when it came to marriage.



But now it is in the courts! Where is the homosexual community now? Where is their apology?

BAG, you and I are the same age. We have an appreciation for science. We share a lot of beliefs. I would have expected you to express yourself with more dignity. This is a Veteran, father of four sons, and and a good man. And you don't even acknowledge him. This is not an example of someone trying to equate rights with licenses. He is making his case for the granting of rights. He should be respected.

"Until recently, the requirement was that it must be a male and a female of a certain age, who were mentally competent and without sexually transmitted diseases." That's the way it always is just before things change. And things are changing.

"The homosexual community argument that it was preposterous to equate the homosexuality and polygamy when it came to marriage." I'll give you that one, I don't remember the statement but it sounds like something that might be said. But you talk about polygamy as though it is some unimaginable abomination. It was the law given by God to the Israelites.
HE even talks about himself marrying two women even if it was not literal.
I'm not in favor of polygamy but I'm not such a bitter old man that I couldn't be persuaded.

" As Phil Robertson noted d!cks and anuses don't go together as well as d!cks and vaginas." I agree, but they still go together. I like gay people. I believe that I will receive mercy in the same way that I give mercy. I am sure you know what mercy is but incase you have forgotten it is "unmerited favor". None of us deserve mercy. I will give mercy to gay people. I am not ashamed to say that I will stand with them in their fight marriage rights.
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12-24-2013, 10:07 AM #5
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(12-24-2013, 08:05 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  There are beaches in Nebraska?

Omaha Beach is in Normandy, France, numbnuts.
12-24-2013, 10:14 AM #6
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(12-24-2013, 09:31 AM)Wayne5 Wrote:  
(12-24-2013, 08:05 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  The argument made is an example of someone trying to equate rights with licenses.

Marriage is not a right. It is a license. That's why they call it a "marriage license." To get a license, one must meet the qualifications of the license. Until recently, the requirement was that it must be a male and a female of a certain age, who were mentally competent and without sexually transmitted diseases. As Phil Robertson noted d!cks and anuses don't go together as well as d!cks and vaginas.

BTW, arguments are now being made in court for polygamy. The homosexual community argument that it was preposterous to equate the homosexuality and polygamy when it came to marriage.



But now it is in the courts! Where is the homosexual community now? Where is their apology?

BAG, you and I are the same age. We have an appreciation for science. We share a lot of beliefs. I would have expected you to express yourself with more dignity. This is a Veteran, father of four sons, and and a good man. And you don't even acknowledge him. This is not an example of someone trying to equate rights with licenses. He is making his case for the granting of rights. He should be respected.

"Until recently, the requirement was that it must be a male and a female of a certain age, who were mentally competent and without sexually transmitted diseases." That's the way it always is just before things change. And things are changing.

"The homosexual community argument that it was preposterous to equate the homosexuality and polygamy when it came to marriage." I'll give you that one, I don't remember the statement but it sounds like something that might be said. But you talk about polygamy as though it is some unimaginable abomination. It was the law given by God to the Israelites.
HE even talks about himself marrying two women even if it was not literal.
I'm not in favor of polygamy but I'm not such a bitter old man that I couldn't be persuaded.

" As Phil Robertson noted d!cks and anuses don't go together as well as d!cks and vaginas." I agree, but they still go together. I like gay people. I believe that I will receive mercy in the same way that I give mercy. I am sure you know what mercy is but incase you have forgotten it is "unmerited favor". None of us deserve mercy. I will give mercy to gay people. I am not ashamed to say that I will stand with them in their fight marriage rights.

My father also fought in WWII. He would make the opposite argument as the man in the video.

In fact I responded directly to the man's argument. He made the claim that people who love each other should have the same rights. I correctly pointed out that he confused rights with licenses and also pointed out the obvious, that licenses have requirements to qualify for them and that they are in fact called "marriage LICENSES not marriage rights.

If the man is going to make an argument, then he and you need to be able to respond to the counter argument rather than wrapping yourself in the flag looking for some sort of emotionally earned superiority.

There is good reason for the requirements. The family unit of two men or two women is not comparable to the family of a man and a woman. It's so obvious that every society has recognized it.

To argue otherwise is to look at a rock and say it is the same as a flower. They are different.

Those who have opposed gay marriage have argued since the beginning that allowing gay marriage would lead to polygamy arguments based on the same arguments used by gays. How can we not allow people who love each other to marry?

The gay community denied it, but they didn't support their argument with any sort of legal argument. But sure enough, the legal rulings in favor of gay marriage has brought the natural fruit of that argument to the polygamists.

Next will come incest. Same argument. You cannot fight for gay marriage without allowing polygamy and incestuous marriages based on a legal argument.

Societies all over the word have recognized that the family unit based on a man and a women is the central pillar of society.

The history of the push for gay marriage actually comes out of the communist movement. No less than the communist leader Josef Stalin said that communism couldn't defeat the US so long as we remained a moral nation. So one of the things they pushed for was gay rights to help destroy the moral fiber of the US. This was done behind the scenes but gradually grew and grew.

Watch the truly outstanding movie "Agenda: Grinding Down America" if you want to learn more about it.

I have mercy on gay people, as well. But I won't sacrifice our nation so they can have marriage licenses. I'm perfectly fine with civil unions. There is no reason they can't have contractual rights.

But it is harmful to society to claim two men or two women are married. It confuses the sh!t out of small children and it always will. Even they recognize the difference at a very young age. That confusion is very bad for their psychological health and therefore bad for society.

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12-24-2013, 11:31 AM #7
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I agree with some of what you have to say. I agree, I would prefer civil unions, but the powers that be resisted this solution until it was too late. And the states that enacted civil union laws left a lot of holes.

Why Gay people would want to subject themselves to the burden of marriage and divorce is a mystery to me. But they are my friends and I go out of my way to find a way to agree with my friends.

You think this will be bad for society. There may well be unintended consequences. But I think God is not going to turn His back on America over this. He's the one that allowed us divorce and it seems to me that divorce makes a much bigger effect on children and society than gay marriage. The gay population, I have heard, is only 5%.

You ask "where does it end?" I take your warning seriously. Polygamy is much more complex in its effect on society. Polygamy makes it possible for families to grow very large, very fast. Wars have been waged over birth rates. If polygamy had not been made against the law in Utah, California would be a suburb of Salt Lake City today.
That said, there is nothing to stop people from being polygamist now.

As for incest, I hope we never get to that debate.

Ya know, if you fight every battle you could fight, you would be fighting every moment of every day forever. I have to pick my battles. I think this one is already over. Gay marriage is hear to stay. The lesson I think is "respond quickly and decisively when a group is asking for new rights" this may make it possible to avoid complicated solutions.

cheers.gif Your a good person and I apologize for being combative.
12-25-2013, 12:49 AM #8
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One minor quibble if I may. My experience has been that conservatives have solidly supported civil agreements. It's the gay community that has argued against it. Maybe your experience is different.

Thanks for your kind words, Wayne. Very classy. Merry Christmas. cheers.gif

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12-25-2013, 05:35 AM #9
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