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04-13-2015, 05:35 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I have always wondered why Police Services are not partnered with mental health workers on calls, or at the very least, the officer has a mental health worker available via telephone/skype for advice.

Quote:Results from the project show fewer people with mental health issues are being taken into custody, there are fewer "mental health apprehensions" into hospital but more people are directly getting into the care they need, say police.

This pilot project has only shown great success, in that, arrests are now down by 50%.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/n...-1.3024000
04-13-2015, 05:42 PM #2
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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A couple years ago when my batshit crazy neighbor got all suicidal, I phoned around for hours and finally found a crisis centre in town, not 400 miles away. The first thing the counselor said to me was "Have you called the police?" Apparently if I know someone is suicidal and don't call the cops, and she manages to off herself, I'd be an accessory to man slaughter. Somehow, that doesn't sit right...

Anyways, good to know the prescription pad is on the scene.
04-13-2015, 06:11 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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The problem with calling the police is that they are not trained mental health professionals and, therefore, are put in position of policing not assessing then assisting.

It seems they ultimately end up taking the person in distress to a mental health hospital for proper treatment.
04-13-2015, 06:17 PM #4
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(04-13-2015, 06:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  The problem with calling the police is that they are not trained mental health professionals and, therefore, are put in position of policing not assessing then assisting.

It seems they ultimately end up taking the person in distress to a mental health hospital for proper treatment.

Maybe I'm off base, but that seems like something you'd be good at. Crisis counseling.
04-13-2015, 06:28 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Maybe so, because throughout my life people even strangers just come up to me and tell me their innermost thoughts/problems. Maybe I look like a listener or project something like openeness. dunno.gif I have been told I do not judge immediately or on first impressions.

http://tinybuddha.com/blog/why-judging-p...s-unhappy/
04-13-2015, 07:26 PM #6
Octo Mother Superior
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(04-13-2015, 06:28 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Maybe so, because throughout my life people even strangers just come up to me and tell me their innermost thoughts/problems. Maybe I look like a listener or project something like openeness. dunno.gif I have been told I do not judge immediately or on first impressions.

http://tinybuddha.com/blog/why-judging-p...s-unhappy/

Yeah I seem to have that going on too 13.gif
04-13-2015, 07:31 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-13-2015, 07:26 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(04-13-2015, 06:28 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Maybe so, because throughout my life people even strangers just come up to me and tell me their innermost thoughts/problems. Maybe I look like a listener or project something like openeness. dunno.gif I have been told I do not judge immediately or on first impressions.

http://tinybuddha.com/blog/why-judging-p...s-unhappy/

Yeah I seem to have that going on too 13.gif

Yes, I noticed that you do not immediately judge or jump to conclusions and that's a must, Octo, if you are running a social forum.
04-13-2015, 07:33 PM #8
Octo Mother Superior
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I was thinking more in real life, but I guess so
04-13-2015, 07:36 PM #9
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Oh, yes, that was a given...it all is part and parcel of the social realm, although, it is so much more difficult online, not face-to-face, because I am sure, as I do, you can sort of look beyond the physical into a person's aura/soul and make an intuitive judgement.
04-13-2015, 07:41 PM #10
Octo Mother Superior
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Yeah I think most members here are not much into creating internet personas

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04-13-2015, 07:46 PM #11
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Yes, most members here do portray their true personas (I would hope), which is very refreshing to encounter online.
04-13-2015, 08:02 PM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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So, it appears if there is violence involved, then they are left to only the police to handle, and we know what the usual outcome of that will be - a take down or worse, so i guess mental assessment comes after the fact in these cases.


Quote:What types of calls do the MCITs not attend?

individuals who are intoxicated on drugs or alcohol

violent individuals or people with weapons

overdoses

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/community/mcit.php

As for self-harm/attempt suicide cases, 9-1-1 must be called first, for proper assessment and assistance.

So, Shadow, it would appear if a friend is depressed and talking about 'life is not worth living', but not talking about self-harm nor suicide, are we still requied to call 9-1-1?

There is a difference between depression talk and actual suicidal talk, isn't there? Isn't it common that those who threaten depression to really be seeking caring and understanding (not so much sympathy)?

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/20...epression/
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04-14-2015, 03:17 PM #13
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(04-13-2015, 05:42 PM)Shadow Wrote:  The first thing the counselor said to me was "Have you called the police?" Apparently if I know someone is suicidal and don't call the cops, and she manages to off herself, I'd be an accessory to man slaughter....


From what I read today, when police are sent to wanna-be suicide here in the US, they frequently end up killing the person.

Really does not surprise me.
04-14-2015, 05:41 PM #14
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(04-14-2015, 03:17 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(04-13-2015, 05:42 PM)Shadow Wrote:  The first thing the counselor said to me was "Have you called the police?" Apparently if I know someone is suicidal and don't call the cops, and she manages to off herself, I'd be an accessory to man slaughter....


From what I read today, when police are sent to wanna-be suicide here in the US, they frequently end up killing the person.

Really does not surprise me.

If your neighbourhood's police do not partner with mental health professionals in a non-violent suicidal threatening? event, and if you can expect the police to handle that person in distress with only violent? apprehension and arrest in mind, why would anyone call the police for assistance in a case like that?

Shadow, do your police services partner up with mental health pros?
04-14-2015, 06:03 PM #15
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(04-14-2015, 05:41 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Shadow, do your police services partner up with mental health pros?

I'd have to say yes. It was the crisis centre that advised I call the cops and they took her in for observation. She hates me now but she's alive and doing okay.



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