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Finland plans to give every citizen a basic income of 800 euros a month
12-06-2015, 03:11 PM #1
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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The Finnish government is currently drawing up plans to introduce a national basic income. A final proposal won’t be presented until November 2016, but if all goes to schedule, Finland will scrap all existing benefits and instead hand out 800 euros per month—to everyone.

It sounds far-fetched, but it’s looking likely that Finland will carry through with the idea.

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for those outside Finland, the plan raises two obvious questions: Why is this a good idea, and how will it work?

It may sound counterintuitive, but the proposal is meant to tackle unemployment. Finland’s unemployment rate rose to 11.8% in May (though it was back down to 8.7% in October) and a basic income would allow people to take on low-paying jobs without personal cost. At the moment, a temporary job results in lower welfare benefits, which can lead to an overall drop in income.

Read more: qz.com

I've actually known about this for a month or so. The way the system is currently set up, if you are on some type of assistance and you take a part time or low wage job, you end up actually losing income.

Not to mention, there is an incredible amount of overhead involved in running the current system that could be eliminated.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. coffeetime.gif

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12-06-2015, 03:42 PM #2
Accidental Stoner Member
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Weird.

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12-06-2015, 04:00 PM #3
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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Of course, that includes the tax to pay for it, eh?

Leave it to the governments to 'give' us free shit we didn't ask for and then tax the bejeesus out of us to pay the interest on the debt we incurred for shit we cannot afford.

Classic circle jerk.

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12-06-2015, 04:34 PM #4
Kreeper Griobhtha
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That would cause riots over here. The vast majority of people on assistance here have absolutely no intention of working.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
12-06-2015, 05:56 PM #5
Octo Mother Superior
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There is strong support for this idea here. Everybody agrees the current system is a hog, the bureaucracy is atrocious. The problem isn't that people don't want to work, there just aren't any jobs around. And you risk losing your benefits if you don't accept a job.

Happy birthday Finland btw [Image: finland-flag-38.gif]
12-06-2015, 06:18 PM #6
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(12-06-2015, 04:00 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:  Of course, that includes the tax to pay for it, eh?

Leave it to the governments to 'give' us free shït we didn't ask for and then tax the bejeesus out of us to pay the interest on the debt we incurred for shït we cannot afford.

Classic circle jerk.

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I'm not sure how this is going down. There's been no talk of tax increase, but of course the bad news usually comes after the fact.
If I'm not mistaken, the deal is... the overhead of the entire social system is so big, that if they'd give everyone 800 a month they would save money, or break even with what it costs to run the current lumbering giant.

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12-06-2015, 06:23 PM #7
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Guess a shitload of bureaucrats will be out of work. chuckle.gif
12-06-2015, 07:45 PM #8
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(12-06-2015, 05:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  There is strong support for this idea here. Everybody agrees the current system is a hog, the bureaucracy is atrocious. The problem isn't that people don't want to work, there just aren't any jobs around. And you risk losing your benefits if you don't accept a job.

Happy birthday Finland btw [Image: finland-flag-38.gif]

Happy birthday or Independence Day. Are you going to attend the Presidential Ball?

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I hope this works, but will they be raising taxes to pay for this?
12-06-2015, 07:54 PM #9
Octo Mother Superior
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No I'm not attended the Presidential ball chuckle.gif It's a televised spectacle but I'm not going to watch.

There has been no talk of raising taxes to fund this, but time will tell.
12-06-2015, 08:12 PM #10
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(12-06-2015, 07:54 PM)Octo Wrote:  No I'm not attended the Presidential ball chuckle.gif It's a televised spectacle but I'm not going to watch.

There has been no talk of raising taxes to fund this, but time will tell.

Perhaps it is best you stay away from that area as protests may be planned as last year.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/helsinki_police_pr...ts/8507819

If the previous way of doing this was described as a cash 'hog', then I am sure they had the math people figure out a better methodology.
12-06-2015, 08:30 PM #11
Octo Mother Superior
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I'm nowhere near that area so I'll be fine. wine.gif
12-06-2015, 11:21 PM #12
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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I love it

here in the states , people who got fucked by the Bankers in the 2008
wipe out of Jobs

can now get $850 if they just go down to the doctor , he puts his ear
to their chest , states that they have breathing problems

INSTANT $850 a Month !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREE !

yes yes yes

why do I support it ?

1. we the people got fucked, and the baby boomers SSI fund was
stolen to pay debt

2. The money is just paper , and cycles around and around until
it comes back to the print shop that made it , meanwhile , goods
are bought with it , generating production

3. All Jobs in the U.S. are now off shore , We Americans carried the ball
long enough ,,, time to let the immigrants support us now

4. The system is a fail , it has no where to go but belly up dead
let us have these last years of out lives to ourselves with money to get
us by .

5. when 57% of the national budget is spent on Defense , yet we do not
defend this soil with it , we use it to put military on foreign soil instead ,,,
then it's all a bunch of shit anyway , and those Vets who are now jobless
and homeless deserve way more then $850 a Mnth , but it's better then ZILCH

6. We put it in there, give it back

7. The ship is sinking fast , $850 is a life vest , not a Life Boat , they are getting off cheap ,,,,

8. everything is now against the law as for alternate housing , housing cost
are CRAZY , Homelessness is rising crazy , live aboard boast are losing permits for live aboard , there's supply and demand , and with the immies coming in
the demand goes up , so ,,,, GIVE UP THE CASH and leave us alone .

9. Everything The youth of today see's around , was built by the folks before them
Now , they can support the people who built it for their use .
GIVE UP THE CASH SUCKERS

10 . BEST OF ALL , Fuckers are paying taxes to Governments that are Blatantly
corrupt , The Tax payers KNOW it's corrupt and still they give it money

If you support corruption that has an adverse effect on other peoples lives

then FUCK YOU , I'M TAKING YOUR FUCKING MONEY, AND FOOD STAMPS , AND FREE HOUSING , EVERYTHING I CAN GET AWAY FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT THAT WEAK ASS MOTHERFUCKERS SUPPORT .

done
copy paste and file away for future reference , for this FALL is happening before
your eyes , when it hits bottom , you can read this then ,,,, and think :
That fucking Rog' what an ass , but he was right
12-07-2015, 01:23 AM #13
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:10,569 Threads:240 Joined:Feb 2011
fuck how it sounds
I like the way it feels

and the way it taste

and the way it looks

and the way ,,,,,

anyway
fuck it to death

it's all corruption
take it for a ride

after all , it took YOU for a Ride
12-07-2015, 02:44 AM #14
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:30,289 Threads:1,495 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-06-2015, 11:21 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  I love it

here in the states , people who got ƒükkêd by the Bankers in the 2008
wipe out of Jobs

can now get $850 if they just go down to the doctor , he puts his ear
to their chest , states that they have breathing problems

INSTANT $850 a Month !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREE !

yes yes yes

why do I support it ?

1. we the people got ƒükkêd , and the baby boomers SSI fund was
stolen to pay debt

2. The money is just paper , and cycles around and around until
it comes back to the print shop that made it , meanwhile , goods
are bought with it , generating production

3. All Jobs in the U.S. are now off shore , We Americans carried the ball
long enough ,,, time to let the immigrants support us now

4. The system is a fail , it has no where to go but belly up dead
let us have these last years of out lives to ourselves with money to get
us by .

5. when 57% of the national budget is spent on Defense , yet we do not
defend this soil with it , we use it to put military on foreign soil instead ,,,
then it's all a bunch of shït anyway , and those Vets who are now jobless
and homeless deserve way more then $850 a Mnth , but it's better then ZILCH

6. We put it in there, give it back

7. The ship is sinking fast , $850 is a life vest , not a Life Boat , they are getting off cheap ,,,,

8. everything is now against the law as for alternate housing , housing cost
are CRAZY , Homelessness is rising crazy , live aboard boast are losing permits for live aboard , there's supply and demand , and with the immies coming in
the demand goes up , so ,,,, GIVE UP THE CASH and leave us alone .

9. Everything The youth of today see's around , was built by the folks before them
Now , they can support the people who built it for their use .
GIVE UP THE CASH SUCKERS

10 . BEST OF ALL , Fuckers are paying taxes to Governments that are Blatantly
corrupt , The Tax payers KNOW it's corrupt and still they give it money

If you support corruption that has an adverse effect on other peoples lives

then ğkk YOU , I'M TAKING YOUR FUCKING MONEY, AND FOOD STAMPS , AND FREE HOUSING , EVERYTHING I CAN GET AWAY FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT THAT WEAK ASS muthaforkers SUPPORT .

done
copy paste and file away for future reference , for this FALL is happening before
your eyes , when it hits bottom , you can read this then ,,,, and think :
That fucking Rog' what an ass , but he was right

Bingo.

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12-07-2015, 03:06 AM #15
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:10,569 Threads:240 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-07-2015, 02:44 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(12-06-2015, 11:21 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  I love it

here in the states , people who got ƒükkêd by the Bankers in the 2008
wipe out of Jobs

can now get $850 if they just go down to the doctor , he puts his ear
to their chest , states that they have breathing problems

INSTANT $850 a Month !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREE !

yes yes yes

why do I support it ?

1. we the people got ƒükkêd , and the baby boomers SSI fund was
stolen to pay debt

2. The money is just paper , and cycles around and around until
it comes back to the print shop that made it , meanwhile , goods
are bought with it , generating production

3. All Jobs in the U.S. are now off shore , We Americans carried the ball
long enough ,,, time to let the immigrants support us now

4. The system is a fail , it has no where to go but belly up dead
let us have these last years of out lives to ourselves with money to get
us by .

5. when 57% of the national budget is spent on Defense , yet we do not
defend this soil with it , we use it to put military on foreign soil instead ,,,
then it's all a bunch of shït anyway , and those Vets who are now jobless
and homeless deserve way more then $850 a Mnth , but it's better then ZILCH

6. We put it in there, give it back

7. The ship is sinking fast , $850 is a life vest , not a Life Boat , they are getting off cheap ,,,,

8. everything is now against the law as for alternate housing , housing cost
are CRAZY , Homelessness is rising crazy , live aboard boast are losing permits for live aboard , there's supply and demand , and with the immies coming in
the demand goes up , so ,,,, GIVE UP THE CASH and leave us alone .

9. Everything The youth of today see's around , was built by the folks before them
Now , they can support the people who built it for their use .
GIVE UP THE CASH SUCKERS

10 . BEST OF ALL , Fuckers are paying taxes to Governments that are Blatantly
corrupt , The Tax payers KNOW it's corrupt and still they give it money

If you support corruption that has an adverse effect on other peoples lives

then ğkk YOU , I'M TAKING YOUR FUCKING MONEY, AND FOOD STAMPS , AND FREE HOUSING , EVERYTHING I CAN GET AWAY FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT THAT WEAK ASS muthaforkers SUPPORT .

done
copy paste and file away for future reference , for this FALL is happening before
your eyes , when it hits bottom , you can read this then ,,,, and think :
That fucking Rog' what an ass , but he was right

Bingo.

I refer to it as JUSTICE

I paid enough to buy a Castle with , I have no bones about
getting it back .

Like I said

the best one is " People KNOW for a fact that the Government is corrupt
and they still give it money "

and if they support Corruption , Fukk them , let them BITCH , give me
de money .



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