Also posting this because I recently said on some abortion thread here that there is no abortion debate here. Well, I wouldn't call the statement of the minister a debate. It has caused an exodus from church for the last couple of days.
Let me start out by saying Finland has state religions:
Quote:Most people in Finland are at least nominally members of a Christian church. There are presently two state churches: the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, which is the primary state religion and enjoys a membership of about three quarters of the population, and the Finnish Orthodox Church, which enjoys a membership of about one percent of the population. Prior to Christianisation in the 11th century, Finnish paganism was the primary religion.
If your parents are members of a church, your children will automatically also be members of it and you will pay 1% tax to that church.
We're not members of any church, me and the father of our firstborn bugged out right before he was born. These are things you shouldn't decide for anyone else.
Anyway here's what she said:
Quote:Finland's Interior Minister, and Christian Democratic Party leader, Päivi Räsänen has made a forceful attack on Finnish abortion legislation. Speaking at a Lutheran Church event, Räsänen said that animals are better protected than are human foetuses.
Räsänen also pointed out that Finland and Sweden are the only European countries where healthcare personnel do not have the legal right to refuse to carry out abortions on the basis of their personal convictions.
Bible before law
The Interior Minister let it be understood that in a conflicting situation, the Bible should take precedence over the law.
"We have to consider whether we have the courage to act in the face of general public opinion or norms, peer pressure, and sometimes even the law, if these contradict the word of God," Räsänen said.
As guideline to conflicts between the Bible and the law, Räsänen, whose ministerial post also includes religious affairs, borrowed from the words of the Apostles, saying, “We must obey God rather than men."
Here's how people reacted to her statement:
Quote:Controversial statements from Interior Minister Päivi Räsänen led to a larger-than-usual number of Finns leaving the Finnish Lutheran church via an online service on Wednesday.
On a normal day fewer than a hundred people resign from the church using the eroakirkosta.fi website.
On Wednesday the figure was 960, after Christian Democrat leader and Interior Minister Päivi Räsänen made a controversial speech including comments comparing abortion to 'butchery' and suggesting people should place the bible above the law in any situations where they might conflict.
Over 700 hundred dropped out today (this afternoon)
The Bishop had to of course make a statement and said:
Quote:"Religious affairs belong to her area of responsibility, which makes this statement rather problematic. The church should not be above the law"
(link in Swedish) http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/07/11...zityskland
The minister had to of course make a statement to explain her standpoint.
Then she comes up with this?
Quote:Räsänen explains her point of view with an example from history.
I don't think anybody is of the opinion that they in Nazi Germany should have obeyed the soldiers' orders.
(same Swedish link as above)
What the hell!