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09-07-2014, 09:12 PM #1
karutzar Member
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As I previously "prophesied" Finland will go very cold this winter. With all economy down it is end game scenario. How will Neste menage?

Europe Goes "All In": Will Sanction Rosneft, Gazprom Neft And Transneft


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07...-transneft

Until this moment, the main reason why everyone mostly dismissed Europe's sanctions against Russia is that despite all its pompous rhetoric, Europe consistently refused to hit Russia where it would hurt: its energy titans Gazprom, Rosneft And Transfneft. The reason is simple: by imposing sanctions on these core energy exporters, Europe would directly threaten the stability of its own energy imports (Russia accounts for up to 30% of German gas imports), and as winter approaches with every passing day, playing with the energy status quo would seem like economic suicide. This all appears to have changed last Friday, when as the FT reports from a leaked copy, Europe's latest sanctions round will boldly go where Europe has never dared to go before, and impose sanctions on the big three: Rosneft, Gazprom Neft and Transneft.

İmage

If today's news is confirmed, Europe's dramatic shift in sanctions strategy means that Europe's embargo of both the US Dollar and the Euro will accelerate as Russia further intensifies its shift away from both the west and the petrodollar.

Gazprom would begins accepting payment for oil in Ruble and Yuan.

Read full article @ ZeroHedge

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09-07-2014, 09:29 PM #2
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Oh things are bad. I've had some interesting discussions lately, one lady in an official position actually said to me it's gonna get a lot worse. It is, just judging by the feel good articles about new hope for the region etc. in the local news shows how bad it is. It's not going to get literally cold, but cold indeed.
09-07-2014, 09:30 PM #3
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Natural gas is not used for heating anywhere in Finland so that's not a big issue.
09-07-2014, 11:06 PM #4
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(09-07-2014, 09:30 PM)Octo Wrote:  Natural gas is not used for heating anywhere in Finland so that's not a big issue.

Half of Hki is on natural gas. Anyway, the things are going worse. (As far as know) Finland (Neste) depends exclusively on russian petrol. Let's not mention the nuclear power stations across Finland with russians reactors and fuel. The coal for other stations is import from Ukraine (Donbas region - where the war is going on). Sad picture. And is finnish politicians (currently in power) (not the president though - he make deal with Putin in Yalta some time ago) that allow this mess. They can't turn public opinion against Rossia simply because it is EU that impose this ban.

I've foresee this situation few months ago on this the same forum. I've foresee the black future that is not yet in present, but will come for sure if something does not change. Why people have to suffer? Do they not understand that this politicians are psychopaths (all of them, Putin too)? Finland is influential member of EU with right to veto all decisions. It is USSA that want war with Rossia, not EU. USSA is broke and agonizing (this theme I've discussed with Jay on other thread time ago too). Rossia is not Libya and have huge nuclear arsenal. ...

If the situation worsen and Putin decide that this ban is act of war, I foresee Finland to be autonomy province of Rossia (again). But this time with north Norway and Sweden incl., - just in the borders before 1917 (+Poland and baltic countries).

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09-08-2014, 08:26 PM #5
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09-08-2014, 08:32 PM #6
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Here Is Why Europe Just Launched The "Nuclear Option" Against Russia


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-08...nst-russia

Europe's leaders, we assume under pressure from Washington, appear to be making a big weather-related bet with their taxpayers' lives this winter. As they unleash funding sanctions on Russia's big energy producers, Europe has pumped a record volume of natural gas into underground inventories in an effort to 'outlast' Russia and mitigate any Napoleonic "Winter War" scenario. The plan appears to be to starve Russian energy firms of cashflow - as flows to Europe are already plunging - and remove their funding ability, potentially forcing severe hardship on Russia's key economic drivers. There appears to be 3 potential problems with this plan...

The plan appears clear:
stock-up now (to survive the winter)...
starve Russian firms of cashflow (thanks to stockpiles)...
cut off their funding source (sanctions)...
force Putin's economy into a tailspin...
Putin folds and it all ends happily ever after

There appears to be 3 problems with this plan...

1) What if the weather is considerably colder than normal this winter? (i.e. they need more supply)

Pls read the rest @ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-08...nst-russia
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09-08-2014, 08:58 PM #7
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Europe's Russian Sanctions In Jeopardy As "One Country" Holds Out


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-08...-holds-out

Damage Control begins:

I'm told #EU country holding up #Russia sanctions is having coalition problems and is not objecting per se. Approval could come shortly.

— Peter Spiegel (@SpiegelPeter) September 8, 2014

As 'rumors' of European sanctions against Russia's major oil energy firms are leaked strawman-like to the market and expected to be enacted as soon as tomorrow, it appears there is a 'glitch' in the union. The FT's Peter Spiegel reports that one country is holding out on EU sanctions and that is the reason for an emergency unscheduled meeting of EU diplomats this evening.

İmage

UPDATE:

I've been told it is not #Cyprus, #Hungary or #Slovakia that is holding up #EU's #Russia sanctions.

— Peter Spiegel (@SpiegelPeter) September 8, 2014

Pls read the rest @ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-08...-holds-out

I bet my 2c on Finland. I think it is Finland that put the breaks on that USSA/EU madness.

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09-09-2014, 12:43 AM #8
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(09-08-2014, 08:58 PM)karutzar Wrote:  I bet my 2c on Finland. I think it is Finland that put the breaks on that USSA/EU madness.

It was Finland. Was. Now the EU is holding off for a couple days maybe they'll wake up. But Brussels calls the shots.
09-09-2014, 11:33 AM #9
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(09-07-2014, 09:30 PM)Octo Wrote:  Natural gas is not used for heating anywhere in Finland so that's not a big issue.

what do they use??

*im being serious*
09-09-2014, 11:36 AM #10
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Vodka

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09-09-2014, 11:39 AM #11
Octo Mother Superior
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(09-09-2014, 11:33 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(09-07-2014, 09:30 PM)Octo Wrote:  Natural gas is not used for heating anywhere in Finland so that's not a big issue.

what do they use??

*im being serious*

Almost everyone is hooked up to district heating in this town, but it varies from town to town.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating#Finland
09-09-2014, 11:43 AM #12
Octo Mother Superior
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And no, half of Helsinki is NOT on natural gas:

Quote:In 2010 the share of gas in TPES was about 10%. Finland was 100% dependent on a single supplier in gas, namely Russia, and there is no gas storage capacity. However, in Finland, gas is essentially never used in direct heating of homes, which are heated by direct electric heating, oil or district heating. 75% of gas is used for production of electricity or combined heat and power and in industry, with domestic use being rare. In total, 93% of the gas is sold to large installations directly rather than by retail.[14] In Helsinki, however, there are 30,000 network-connected domestic gas users and 300 restaurants. There is an alternative fuel obligation, so that in the event of a gas supply disturbance, other fuels can be immediately substituted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Finland
09-09-2014, 11:47 AM #13
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(09-09-2014, 11:39 AM)Octo Wrote:  
(09-09-2014, 11:33 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(09-07-2014, 09:30 PM)Octo Wrote:  Natural gas is not used for heating anywhere in Finland so that's not a big issue.

what do they use??

*im being serious*

Almost everyone is hooked up to district heating in this town, but it varies from town to town.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating#Finland

wow, have never even heard of that before.. we dont really need heating here,but we have a gas heater in the lounge/living room.. but only need to use it at night in winter, some nights we dont need it on at all..

its hard being perfect.. marcia marcia marcia.. i know.. i will pray for you.
09-09-2014, 11:48 AM #14
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(09-09-2014, 11:36 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Vodka

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09-09-2014, 12:03 PM #15
Octo Mother Superior
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And since basically everyone in this country has access to a wood fired sauna I don't think we're in any immediate danger of freezing to death.

There are 3.3 million saunas in a country of 5.3 million people. chuckle.gif

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24328773



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