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10-21-2018, 04:54 AM #1
Kreeper Griobhtha
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10-21-2018, 07:42 AM #2
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Because I live out here on the coast , i can tell you that it is true.

Orca pods are missing (presumed dead} and being blamed on the over fishing of Salmon and the sardines, which is the food of the salmon.
they also blame and claim all the hydroelectric dams produce too much warm water, making conditions inhospitable for salmon reproduction.

Now they want to blow up the dams to ensure a healthy population but they don't want to invest in any more salmon fisheries for a fraction of the cost.

All the major grocery stores offer east coast lobster, and salmon, which is strange to import something that we have an abundance of,
or do we?

Personally, i have been to the coast and obtained oysters, crab and salmon from the wild but found them to be scarce and slightly undersized.
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10-21-2018, 12:32 PM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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This is terrifying! It's criminal not to measure radioactivity in produce, wild fish, mushrooms and berries, not sure what the limit is over there, but here in Europe after Chernobyl the limits were set very high. You should have the right to know what you eat

Quote:As a consequence of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, the European Union set maximum limits on the level of radioactive contamination permitted in foodstuff imports from countries outside the EU; regarding total cesium radionuclides, these limits stand at 370 becquerels/kilogram for baby food and milk products and at 600 becquerels/kilogram for other foodstuffs. These limits also apply to food traded within the EU. In response to the Fukushima disaster, the EU provisionally set stricter permissible limits at 200 and 500 becquerels respectively for imports from Japan.

https://www.foodwatch.org/eu-radiation-limits/
10-21-2018, 12:33 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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We haven't bought any fish from the Pacific since the Fukushima catastrophe.
10-21-2018, 03:14 PM #5
Kreeper Griobhtha
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They mentioned the levels. They were set so high that you now have a 1 in 25 chance of getting cancer from your food.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
10-21-2018, 08:55 PM #6
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On a brighter note, we haven't needed to change the refrigerator light bulb in years.
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10-21-2018, 09:34 PM #7
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We only eat Atlantic fish anymore
10-21-2018, 09:53 PM #8
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Smart move.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
10-21-2018, 10:11 PM #9
Team Uzi ռօ ǟʀȶɨʄɨƈɨǟʟ ֆաɛɛȶɛռɛʀֆ
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All species of tuna are highly migratory. This means that they swim long distances pretty much throughout their entire lives. These migration patterns are still ill-understood although it is generally agreed upon that they are large.

Pacific blue fin tuna are born near Japan spending their early months swimming in the radiation plume there. They then swim back and forth across the Pacific their entire lives. One tuna nicknamed Terry crossed the Pacific no less than 3 times in the span of only 20 months coming very close to Japan each time.

The information gleaned from Terry the tuna is not new. As early as the 1950’s, tagged albacore tuna were known to swim thousands of miles as shown in this second chart to the right. The open circles off the California coast indicates where they were released and the solid circles closer to Japan indicates where they were recaptured.

Albacore tuna migration:

Highly migratory indeed!

Atlantic based tuna exhibit the same nomadic patterns. According to National Geographic, high tech tags of Atlantic blue fin tuna revealed the following:

A team of international scientists documented two giant blue fins tagged within minutes of each other off the coast of Ireland. The two fish swam to opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean–ending up more than 3,000 miles (5,000 kilometers) apart. One of the fish traveled 3,730 miles (6,000 kilometers) southwest to waters about 186 miles (300 kilometers) northeast of Cuba. The other remained in the eastern Atlantic and moved off the coasts of Portugal where waters are known to contain cesium 137.
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10-21-2018, 11:53 PM #10
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(10-21-2018, 03:14 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  They mentioned the levels. They were set so high that you now have a 1 in 25 chance of getting cancer from your food.

They merely set the "safe level" higher to meet the current contamination levels.
Just like they did for mercury levels of Atlantic fish.
Following a CBC investigation that found mercury levels above the allowed limit, Health Canada issued new consumption guidelines on Monday for canned albacore tuna for women and children. ... But tuna also contains mercury, a dangerous contaminant that can affect the heart, brain and immune system.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/...n-1.640489

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10-22-2018, 05:54 AM #11
Octo Mother Superior
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When it comes to fish you have to choose your toxins, there aren't too many clean waters anymore
10-22-2018, 03:19 PM #12
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(10-21-2018, 12:33 PM)Octo Wrote:  We haven't bought any fish from the Pacific since the Fukushima catastrophe.

And the Gulf Coast is out unless you like Core Exit flavored seafood.

(10-22-2018, 05:54 AM)Octo Wrote:  When it comes to fish you have to choose your toxins, there aren't too many clean waters anymore

Unless you raise it yourself, it's a crap shoot.
10-22-2018, 03:40 PM #13
Kreeper Griobhtha
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True. Right now your best bet is quick growing, short lived fish on the Atlantic coast. Some others are ok in moderation, but if you can only eat it in moderation then why would you eat it at all?

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
10-22-2018, 03:47 PM #14
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(10-22-2018, 03:40 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  True. Right now your best bet is quick growing, short lived fish on the Atlantic coast. Some others are ok in moderation, but if you can only eat it in moderation then why would you eat it at all?

Aquaponics can be small or large scale.

But yeah, for wild-caught ~ North Atlantic is prolly the safest bet, atm.
10-22-2018, 03:50 PM #15
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Agreed. I just quit eating it all together. It's just not worth the risk.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice



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