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Ghosts are created by your mind?
11-07-2014, 12:40 AM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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Quote:Scientists in Switzerland have shown that ghosts are probably just an illusion created by the mind when it momentarily loses track of the body’s location

Professor Olaf Blanke, from the Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne (EPFL) in Switzerland, said: "Our experiment induced the sensation of a foreign presence in the laboratory for the first time.

“It shows that it can arise under normal conditions, simply through conflicting sensory-motor signals.

"This confirms that it is caused by an altered perception of their own bodies in the brain."

Co-author Dr Giulio Rognini, also from the EPFL, said: "Our brain possesses several representations of our body in space.

“Under normal conditions, it is able to assemble a unified self-perception of the self from these representations.

“But when the system malfunctions because of disease - or, in this case, a robot - this can sometimes create a second representation of one's own body, which is no longer perceived as 'me' but as someone else, a 'presence'."

Read it all at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scien...iment.html

Not so sure about that, but interesting anyhow.
11-07-2014, 12:53 AM #2
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So, that explains all EVP's, photos and film of the supernatural. Glad that's settled.

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11-07-2014, 02:51 AM #3
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Excellent and thought provoking theory...

Just like poltergeist activity may also be resulting from the subconscious release of telekinesis...

Ghosts may also be beings from the fourth dimension where we may ascend to when we die who are able to fly and walk through walls ect ect while within our three dimensional reality...

Ghosts may also be attracted to psychic and clairvoyant people whos inner eyes are open wide...

Ghosts may also be demons in disguise trying to mislead and spiritually ruin the living...

Then there are thought form projections called tulpas > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
11-07-2014, 12:17 PM #4
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Yes scientists don't support political agendas 15.gif

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11-07-2014, 03:46 PM #5
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(11-07-2014, 02:51 AM)Cosmic August Wrote:  Then there are thought form projections called tulpas > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

yeah i first heard about tulpas in the x files. pretty interesting.
11-07-2014, 09:59 PM #6
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Quote:Such experiences are frequently reported by people in extreme physical or emotional situations, such as mountaineers and explorers, or those grieving for a lost loved one.
(from Octo's link above)

Very interesting, because when I was grieving the death of my father, I thought his ghost visited me briefly.
11-07-2014, 10:20 PM #7
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I've head a few grieving tales, one in which my ex girlfriends mother lost her husband.
He and Jesus came back to let her know everything was okay. coffeetime.gif
She certainly believed it anyway.

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11-11-2014, 08:19 AM #8
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I've seen ghosts, been with others they saw same. I don't care what "they" say. I say Bullshit
11-11-2014, 10:20 AM #9
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(11-11-2014, 08:19 AM)Tacolover II Wrote:  I've seen ghosts, been with others they saw same. I don't care what "they" say. I say BS

My younger Brother of 29 died from a blood transfusion with aids tainted blood. I was right with him till he asked me to leave the hospital room. I knew why.. Hour latter and I came back and he past away.

Now the good part.. I walked into the hospital room where he lay. I was alone. Then I was grabbed and my spirit inside was being twirled around. The room was blurred spinning me around fast. Somehow I thought if I walk back out to the hallway it would stop. It did stop but I think he knew what I wanted. Just happy filled with Love I guess.

I move over to Vancouver Island Still figuring out what it was that happened in the hospital room. I met Pete. I said to him my story. Then his eyes widened up and seemed to show a light in the eyes. He said, you know what that was, I said no. He said, that was a spiritual hug. That felt right. It was a spiritual hug from my brother. I was clued in. Your innards tell you bulls eye.

There is a part two to this story. I'm tired, swinging 10 pound sledge hammer and pulling boards to a old long house trailer Many fasteners and hangers to remove with big crowbar. , Will tell it latter . My brothers spirit and a friend meet. I guess they hang around a bit before permanent departure. The ghosts, I may think that a hundred yrs old moaning and dragging chains around are bad boys and girls.
11-11-2014, 12:49 PM #10
Octo Mother Superior
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If it's all in your mind it must be some mass hysteria type of event, which I strongly doubt. At our old place several people saw and described the same woman at different times. My daughter as a toddler also talked about "her other mother" in that same apartment. There was something there and it wasn't a mindfuck.

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11-11-2014, 02:09 PM #11
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(11-11-2014, 12:49 PM)Octo Wrote:  If it's all in your mind it must be some mass hysteria type of event, which I strongly doubt. At our old place several people saw and described the same woman at different times. My daughter as a toddler also talked about "her other mother" in that same apartment. There was something there and it wasn't a mindfuck.

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Of course we didn't believe for a moment you sided with the scientists. You're way way too smart for that.

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11-11-2014, 02:14 PM #12
Octo Mother Superior
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Well, I think it's possible to create similar feelings in a lab environment as described in the article, but it doesn't explain paranormal experiences in my opinion.

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11-11-2014, 02:58 PM #13
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(11-11-2014, 08:19 AM)Tacolover II Wrote:  I've seen ghosts, been with others they saw same. I don't care what "they" say. I say BS

yup.gif Like myself, you're not one to take a flight of fancy. I grew up in a house that had a spirit, and then once again when moving here Octo's place was extremely active.
Glad to be out of those active places, there's enough chaos as it is without living with a spirit that can make objects disappear and reappear at will.
As time went on, it became apparent it was getting more and more mischievous.
After we left, they divided the single huge apt into two, and they were sold to private individuals.
No one lives there due to the activity. To some degree, they must have been fond of us on some level, they let us know they were there, but never really tried to frighten us.
The same courtesy was apparently not afforded to the new tenants.

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11-15-2014, 08:19 AM #14
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Definitely interesting, but rather than debunking the entire idea of ghosts, this could merely demonstrates a mechanism by which they could present themselves, couldn't it?
11-15-2014, 03:28 PM #15
Octo Mother Superior
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Yes I would say so. I think most people have had some paranormal experiences that can't be explained by this experiment.



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