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Gut bacteria are an invisible hand altering our brains.
04-25-2018, 06:02 AM #1
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Quote:If anything makes us human it's our minds, thoughts and emotions.

And yet a controversial new concept is emerging that claims gut bacteria are an invisible hand altering our brains.

Science is piecing together how the trillions of microbes that live on and in all of us - our microbiome - affect our physical health.

But even conditions including depression, autism and neurodegenerative disease are now being linked to these tiny creatures.

We've known for centuries that how we feel affects our gut - just think what happens before an exam or a job interview - but now it is being seen as a two-way street.

Groups of researchers believe they are on the cusp of a revolution that uses "mood microbes" or "psychobiotics" to improve mental health.

The study that ignited the whole concept took place at Kyushu University in Japan.

The researchers showed that "germ-free" mice - those that never came into contact with microbes - pumped out twice the amount of stress hormone when distressed than normal mice.

The animals were identical except for their microbes. It was a strong hint that the difference was a result of their micro-organisms.

"We all go back to that first paper for the first wave of neuroscientists considering microbes," says Dr Jane Foster, a neuropsychiatrist at McMaster University in Canada.

"That really was very powerful for those of us who were studying depression and anxiety."

It was the first hint of microbial medicine in mental health

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-43815370

These quacks I've been seeing know zero about this, yet I've been reading this for years and know it for a fact as I was given a round of strong antibiotics about two years ago that caused all kinds of mood changes, and not for the better. It took probiotics over a period of a few weeks to get back on track, and I drank unfiltered apple cider vinegar to alkalize my body.
The pill pushers are finally falling in line with what the health food experts have been saying for years.
04-25-2018, 06:16 AM #2
Adde All in Moderation
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5 stars Totie, "If you compare somebody who is clinically depressed with someone who is healthy, there is a narrowing in the diversity of the microbiota. "I'm not suggesting it is the sole cause of depression, but I do believe for many individuals it does play a role in the genesis of depression." Many of us have known this for a long time, most doctors are incapable of learning anything after med school.
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04-25-2018, 06:27 AM #3
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My father got an infection at a hospital and they nearly killed him with antibiotics, he slowly slipped into dementia thereafter. He lives in a small town, I told him to get probiotics. The pharmacist in town had never heard of them and the closest heath food store was an hours drive. As a result he's in an assisted health care facility, and I live halfway across the country and I'm helpless as I don't have the money to go take care of him. All of this due to antibiotics killing his gut bacteria.
04-25-2018, 06:31 AM #4
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(04-25-2018, 06:27 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  My father got an infection at a hospital and they nearly killed him with antibiotics, he slowly slipped into dementia thereafter. He lives in a small town, I told him to get probiotics. The pharmacist in town had never heard of them and the closest heath food store was an hours drive. As a result he's in an assisted health care facility, and I live halfway across the country and I'm helpless as I don't have the money to go take care of him. All of this due to antibiotics killing his gut bacteria.

sad2.gif This sounds like a lawsuit to me, sad situation.
04-25-2018, 07:22 AM #5
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Indeed, most ambulance chasers would be happy to take this one on. Normally hospitals settle out of court for large sums for this kind of negligence.
04-25-2018, 08:30 AM #6
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(04-25-2018, 06:31 AM)Totie Wrote:  
(04-25-2018, 06:27 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  My father got an infection at a hospital and they nearly killed him with antibiotics, he slowly slipped into dementia thereafter. He lives in a small town, I told him to get probiotics. The pharmacist in town had never heard of them and the closest heath food store was an hours drive. As a result he's in an assisted health care facility, and I live halfway across the country and I'm helpless as I don't have the money to go take care of him. All of this due to antibiotics killing his gut bacteria.

sad2.gif This sounds like a lawsuit to me, sad situation.

No it sounds like standard procedure. We're years away from having this anywhere close to mainstream medicine.
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04-25-2018, 10:32 AM #7
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I've known about this for a few years, most serotonin is made in the gut, not the brain. If this gets out that will kill antidepressant sales. The pharmaceutical giants and doctors can't make money from telling you to eat right.
04-25-2018, 02:34 PM #8
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Goolag ceased to index sites that said this, they're really know it nothings, just left establishment whores working to control the narrative.
Disgusting.

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04-25-2018, 07:34 PM #9
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Check out the work of Paul Stamets. He is a Mycologist with a lot of fascinating things to say about fungi and their affects on us and the environment. You can watch videos of him on YT. I first heard of him through the Joe Rogan podcast.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
04-25-2018, 08:25 PM #10
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"...we can get an entire bottle's worth of probiotics from a single serving of fermented food"

That's not exactly accurate. Bottled PBs vary in bacteria strains. They range from seven strains to about 25. Fermented food, like unpasteurized sauerkraut will have about 115 DIFFERENT strains. They are also live strains. Sauerkraut is actually very easy to make and tastes much better than it does from the store.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
04-25-2018, 08:32 PM #11
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Love it but like so many foods contains Tyramine. If you suffer from migraines that's always a consideration. I can have it but moderation is the key.

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04-25-2018, 08:45 PM #12
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(04-25-2018, 08:25 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  "...we can get an entire bottle's worth of probiotics from a single serving of fermented food"

That's not exactly accurate. Bottled PBs vary in bacteria strains. They range from seven strains to about 25. Fermented food, like unpasteurized sauerkraut will have about 115 DIFFERENT strains. They are also live strains. Sauerkraut is actually very easy to make and tastes much better than it does from the store.

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Variety is the key and also as unprocessed as possible.

Quote:Not Everyone Needs Probiotics, Suggests Study of Hunter-Gatherer Guts

After taking an antibiotic or catching an intestinal bug, many of us belt down probiotic drinks to restore the “natural balance” of organisms in our intestines. Probiotics are one of the fastest growing products in the food industry, now added to yogurts, drinks, and baby food. Yet, not everyone needs them to stay healthy. A new study of the gut bacteria of hunter-gatherers in Africa has found that they completely lack a bacterium that is a key ingredient in most probiotic foods and considered healthy. What’s more, the Hadza don’t suffer from colon cancer, colitis, Crohn’s, or other diseases of the colon that are found in humans eating modern diets in Western nations.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/04/n...herer-guts
04-25-2018, 08:59 PM #13
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Whilst beer is fermented it doesn't offer the benefits of Sour Kraut but it has other benefits. chuckle.gif
Have you tried Kefir?

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04-25-2018, 09:37 PM #14
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(04-25-2018, 08:32 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Love it but like so many foods contains Tyramine. If you suffer from migraines that's always a consideration. I can have it but moderation is the key.

All it takes is an occasional bite. You can make pretty much any veggie the same way.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
04-25-2018, 10:07 PM #15
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We eat home made sauerkraut with pork chops and bratwurst and make Reuben's with it, I didn't realize it was so beneficial. This is a great informative thread 5 stars Totie and everyone!



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