(03-25-2013, 08:23 PM)Lisa Boxx Wrote:
(03-25-2013, 05:58 PM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:
(03-23-2013, 05:48 PM)I⊥∀NIW∩LLIʞ Wrote: there is no hell.......................just sayin
If there is a hell,we might already be there,not necessarily within the biblical version of hell,but for lack of a better word,hell is more than a good description of the evil wars and genocides that have murdered hundreds of millions of people,evil wars and genocides that are perpetually unleashed upon us again and again and so that's where we might actually be,trapped forever,upon an earth that could be hell and we might be damned souls doomed to eternal rebirth,forced to live and suffer and die again and again forever and and so like it or not,admit it or not,theres no denying that all too real possibility...
Jesus of Nazareth, as the Word of God is the Creator. He knows every aspect of His creation.
If He gave us a description of Hell in Luke 16 KJV, He knows of which He is speaking about.
He also gave the Prophet Isaiah the exact location of Hell. In Isaiah 14: 9 God tells us Hell is in the center of the planet.
Now I never meant a thread on Nuclear War to turn into a theological debate.
But maybe this is on the mind of the world right now and needs discussed.
1 There is no mention of "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament (OT).
2 The Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave," not "hell." This can easily be confirmed because if Sheol is translated as "hell" the Christian dogma of hell as an inescapable place of suffering where God is absent is immediately refuted. This is true because: (1) King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would be there with him; (2) Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol; (3) the sons of Korah said that God would redeem them from Sheol; and (4) the prophet Ezekiel and the apostle Paul agreed that all Israel would be saved, and yet Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved if Israel himself is in "hell"? In each case Sheol clearly means "the grave" and cannot be interpreted as "hell" unless "hell" is heaven!
3 This has been confirmed by conservative Bible scholars because there is no mention of the word "hell" in the OTs of the NIV , the NABRE (published by the Roman Catholic Church), the HCSB , or most other modern translations of the Bible.
4 Furthermore, in biblical chronologies spanning thousands of years, the God of the Bible and his Hebrew prophets never mentioned any possibility of punishment after death. Nothing like "hell" was even remotely suggested to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Job, Moses, David, Solomon, et al.
5 In fact, "hell" was never mentioned even to the worst people at the worst of times. "Hell" was never mentioned to Cain, nor to the people guilty of the wickedness that led to the Great Flood, nor to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, nor even to the Pharaoh who enslaved the Hebrew tribes and defied God repeatedly.
6 We can further verify this because there are no OT warnings about the need to repent in order to avoid suffering after death. In the OT, people were being warned about the need to repent in order to avoid suffering and death here, on this planet, in this life.
7 Of course it makes absolutely no sense to only warn people about temporal (earthly) punishments if they face eternal suffering. Therefore according to the Bible, "hell" clearly did not preexist.
8 But there is no mention of the creation or purpose of "hell" in the New Testament (NT) either. Nor is there any verse in the entire Bible that ever announced that the penalty for sin had changed from death to "hell." Why would God clearly announce the penalty of death before it was enacted, but never once mention the far more serious penalty of hell before it was enacted? That makes absolutely no sense.
9 A loving, compassionate, wise, just God could not create an "eternal hell" and fail to immediately warn the whole world about it. But obviously the whole world was not warned about the creation of "hell." Native Americans knew absolutely nothing about "hell" before 1492. Billions of people have lived and died, never having heard anything about hell or Jesus Christ. Would anyone who had never read the Bible consider God to be just if he died and woke up in hell?
10 An eternal hell would make God monstrously unjust, but according to the Bible itself, "hell" did not preexist and was never created. From beginning to end, the Bible is absolutely silent about either the preexistence or creation of "hell."
11 Furthermore, the Greek word "Hades" does not mean "hell." As with Sheol, everyone went to Hades when they died: both words clearly mean "the grave."