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12-17-2012, 06:20 AM #1
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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"Violence is out of control. Guns are a major cause. They all should be banned – the sooner the better." That's what many Americans seem to believe. As a result, a nationwide movement to ban all guns is growing.

Legislation is now pending in Congress to confiscate all handguns, register all guns, and tax ammunition up to 500%. Others want to go much farther. Within a few years it could be illegal for you to buy any guns or ammunition.

If you already own guns, you may be required to turn them in to the government – under penalty of fine and imprisonment.

On February 28, 1994, Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen announced the reclassification of several 12-gauge revolver-action shotguns. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) announced they would trace the owners, and order them to be fingerprinted and register with the BATF within 30 days or face a $250,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment.

In some cities – like Chicago – police have already begun warrantless, door-to-door searches of public housing projects for guns.

Will gun prohibition make you and your family safer? The evidence from cities in the US where guns have already been virtually banned is not reassuring.

Banning Guns Doesn't Keep Them Out Of The Hands Of Violent Criminals

If banning guns worked, Washington, DC and New York City would be the safest cities in the country. Since 1976, it's been illegal in Washington, DC to own any handguns or to keep any type of gun in your home unlocked and fully assembled. However, Washington, DC is the "murder capital of the United States."

New York City has had severe gun control laws since 1911, yet it also ranks among the most dangerous places in the country. In both cities, violent criminals can easily obtain the most deadly weapons on the streets within minutes.

A national gun ban won't help. With an estimated 220+ million guns now in the US, an unpoliceable 12,000 miles of borders and coastlines, and the world's largest stock of precision machine tools, criminals will always be able to buy, steal, or make guns and ammunition.

A competent backyard mechanic can build a rifle or handgun. Even Afghan peasants, using tools considerably inferior to those in the Sears catalog, have built machine guns capable of firing Soviet AK-47 cartridges.

Illegal home production of handguns is already a fact of life; a BATF study found that one-fifth of the guns seized by police in Washington, DC were homemade.

The Police Cannot Protect You –
But You Can Protect Yourself


If a criminal attacks you on the street or in your home, you cannot afford to wait 30 minutes, 20 minutes, or even 10 minutes for the police to arrive – assuming that you even get the chance to call police and they respond. Ten minutes is more than enough time for a thug to rob, rape, murder, or cripple you for life.

Making guns illegal will primarily disarm peaceful citizens. That gives a green light for violent criminals to attack everyone – both gun owners and non-owners alike.

In Los Angeles, during the 1992 "Rodney King Riots," police abandoned entire neighborhoods. Live TV broadcasts showed hoodlums burning homes and businesses, and dragging innocent motorists from their cars – beating and killing them. The only thing that prevented entire communities from being burned to the ground were community residents barricading their streets and using their guns to protect their homes and families.

In fact, the Supreme Court has ruled that you, as an individual, have no right to protection by the police. Their only obligation is to protect "society" – what-ever that means. So if you want to protect your home and family, you have to rely upon yourself. And self defense does work, for example:

"Her family taken hostage by her daughter's ex-boyfriend, Barbara Holt of Kearns, Utah and her husband were threatened with death, then forced into the bathroom of their home. When the man, armed with a rifle, went into the kitchen with her daughter, Holt slipped into the bedroom and got her .22 pistol. Holt fired a single shot, hitting the assailant in the head, stopping the attack." [From the Salt Lake City Tribune.]

"Thomas Terry of Anniston, Alabama was eating in a local restaurant late one evening when several armed men came in and announced a robbery. As the robbers tried to herd everyone into a walk-in cooler, Terry tried to escape through a locked door but alerted the crooks to his presence. When one approached the table where he was hiding, Terry pulled his .45, killed that man in an exchange of shots, and wounded his accomplice. A third criminal fled." [The Star, Anniston, Alabama]

Every day, thousands of peaceful Americans successfully use guns to defend themselves. A recent study by Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck found that Americans use guns defensively 2.5 million times a year.

A Gun In Your Home

A widely quoted study in the New England Journal of Medicine reported that gun owners were 2.7 times more likely to be murdered than non-owners. But does that mean that owning a gun increases your risk of being murdered? Or does it mean that people who are more likely to be murdered – such as those living in bad neighborhoods – are more likely to own a gun?

The evidence is overwhelming that living in a dangerous environment is a key reason why many people buy guns.

In fact, firearms are the most effective way to protect your home from criminals. According to firearms expert J. Neil Schulman, every 13 seconds an American gun owner uses his or her firearm in self-defense.

1,145 times a day handguns are used against robbers. 416 times each day women use their handguns to protect themselves from rapists. Overall, a gun in the home is 216 times more likely to be used in self defense than to cause the death of an innocent victim. And even if you don't own a gun, preserving the right of your neighbors to own them is one of the best ways to keep criminals out of your neighborhood.

But what about gun accidents? According to nationally syndicated columnist Samuel Frances, your chance of dying from the accidental discharge of a firearm is 1 in 200,000. You are 29 times more likely to die in an automobile accident.

As long as you are peaceful, learn how to use your guns safely, and take reasonable precautions to keep them out of the hands of children and criminals, a gun in the house makes you safer and could save your life if you are attacked.

Gun Prohibition Won't Work In America

While a few Western democracies – like Britain – have successfully disarmed their citizens, that would be impossible in the US. Our traditions of independence and individual self-defense are simply not conducive to the peaceful disarmament of America's estimated 80 million gun owners. As one Congressman commented, "In Germany, if parliament passed a 45 mile-per-hour speed limit, people would obey it – then kick out their representatives in the next election. In the US no one would pay any attention to it. Americans wake up every morning thinking 'What's the angle? How can I get around the law?'"

Disarming otherwise law-abiding citizens would simply put us at the mercy of well-armed criminals. Given a choice between obeying the law and being able to continue to defend our homes, our families, and our lives – millions of Americans will gladly break the law. Many already do.

Only 1% of residents of Denver and Boston have voluntarily complied with laws requiring them to register their semi-automatic weapons. In New York City there are an estimated 700,000 to 3 million unregistered firearms. In California, less than 2% of the 2 million owners of semi-automatic rifles have registered their guns in compliance with state law – even though failure to register is a felony!

It may not even be possible to enforce a gun ban. The New York State commissioner of prisons testified that if 1% of illegal gun owners in New York City were caught, tried, and sent to prison for a year, the state prison system would collapse.

Gun Prohibition Could Destroy America

America was born as an armed society. Guns are an integral part of our traditions and remain essential for the preservation of our safety and our liberty.

Today more than ever we need our guns to protect ourselves from rampaging criminals and to deter would-be tyrants. The mere presence of many guns in many American households is enough to deter many would-be aggressors.

Gun prohibition won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals or make us safe. But the attempt to ban guns could destroy this nation. The image of paramilitary SWAT-teams invading our homes to confiscate our guns is abhorrent to everything America stands for. Yet that is precisely where gun prohibition is taking us.

Regardless of the penalties for disobedience, millions of Americans will not peacefully surrender their guns. Many normally honest and law-abiding citizens will lie, evade, and perhaps kill to defend their rights. There are perhaps millions who share the sentiments of George Mason University professor and nationally syndicated columnist Walter Williams who recently editorialized, "You'll know Williams is disarmed when Williams is dead."

The bitter irony of gun prohibition is that laws intended to make America safe could spark the bloodiest violence in our history. Gun prohibition is not good for you, your family, or America.

http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/guns-safer.html
12-17-2012, 08:25 AM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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It would be a pretty scary scenario if only law enforcement and criminals had guns.
12-17-2012, 08:26 AM #3
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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(12-17-2012, 08:25 AM)Octo Wrote:  It would be a pretty scary scenario if only law enforcement and criminals had guns.


are they not the same?

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12-17-2012, 08:38 AM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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chuckle.gif There's quite a bit of overlapping there yes. In a SHTF scenario I'm sure it would be more difficult to notice the difference.
12-17-2012, 09:10 AM #5
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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If this scenario goes down, how many will just dig a hole, wrap their guns in plastic and after the goons leave dig them back up again?
Law or not, people are not going to give up their guns. We are witnessing a huge power grab here, and as with everything done since nine eleven in the name of "keeping us safe" it's not about security at all.
It's about getting people to submit to perceived "authority".

İmage

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12-17-2012, 11:59 AM #6
JollyRoger Incognito Anonymous
 
Ban guns and then only the criminals have guns.

nice...
12-17-2012, 04:37 PM #7
yankees skier
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I believe that people have a right to own a gun, but don't believe that includes the right to machine guns. There needs to be a reasonable line.

Biere.
12-17-2012, 04:53 PM #8
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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I agree, an AK-47 is a wee bit overkill (pardon the expression) for most.

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