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I think Karl Marx was right
08-26-2013, 04:45 AM #16
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(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

I dunno I worked with a lot of lazy people thru the years 37.gif the ambitious hard working ones carried them

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
08-26-2013, 04:47 AM #17
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biggest thing I could work where I want and when I want..i have that freedom coffeetime.gif

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
08-26-2013, 04:47 AM #18
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(08-26-2013, 04:45 AM)j browsing Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

I dunno I worked with a lot of lazy people thru the years 37.gif the ambitious hard working ones carried them

I guess Mike Tyson got rich off of the work of other people 13.gif
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08-26-2013, 04:52 AM #19
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(08-26-2013, 04:47 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:45 AM)j browsing Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

I dunno I worked with a lot of lazy people thru the years 37.gif the ambitious hard working ones carried them

I guess Mike Tyson got rich off of the work of other people 13.gif
1st place: Kevin Rooney (An easy one! He helped coast Mike to a 35-0 Rec. For evidence, look at the Berbick, Holmes & Spinks fights.. )
2nd place: Teddy Atlas (Mike was worried before one of his Amateur fights. Teddy used the right psychology to put him in the right frame of mind. Shame what had happened between them.)
3rd place: Rich Giachetti (Not sure many feel this way but Richie may have been the man he should have stuck with in a post-Rooney career. He may not have been technically as good as with Rooney, but God was he fierce! Look at the Stewart, Tillman, Ruddock II, and Holyfield II "Bite Aside" fights. Futhermore, when he got rocked by Ruddock, Rich screamed at him and he came back strong in the next couple of rounds. Perhaps this would've happened in Holyfield II had it gone on..)lmao.giflmao.giflmao.gif
08-26-2013, 05:02 AM #20
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(08-26-2013, 04:52 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:47 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:45 AM)j browsing Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

I dunno I worked with a lot of lazy people thru the years 37.gif the ambitious hard working ones carried them

I guess Mike Tyson got rich off of the work of other people 13.gif
1st place: Kevin Rooney (An easy one! He helped coast Mike to a 35-0 Rec. For evidence, look at the Berbick, Holmes & Spinks fights.. )
2nd place: Teddy Atlas (Mike was worried before one of his Amateur fights. Teddy used the right psychology to put him in the right frame of mind. Shame what had happened between them.)
3rd place: Rich Giachetti (Not sure many feel this way but Richie may have been the man he should have stuck with in a post-Rooney career. He may not have been technically as good as with Rooney, but God was he fierce! Look at the Stewart, Tillman, Ruddock II, and Holyfield II "Bite Aside" fights. Futhermore, when he got rocked by Ruddock, Rich screamed at him and he came back strong in the next couple of rounds. Perhaps this would've happened in Holyfield II had it gone on..)lmao.giflmao.giflmao.gif

They all got rich did they not ?

Nobody was used as a slave. Everybody gains and nobody lost anything.
08-26-2013, 05:03 AM #21
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(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?
08-26-2013, 05:10 AM #22
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(08-26-2013, 05:03 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?

Wage laws come to mind
08-26-2013, 05:12 AM #23
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(08-26-2013, 05:03 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?
a lot..my husband has relatives in eastern Europe that lived under the ussr rule..the family here would only hear from them once in a blue moon. when Poland was loosened from ussr govt..the families were able to communicate and the family here could send money to them for food and clothes..and the family in Poland could practice their religion again..and now the new generation can go to school ..and chose a career. not necessarily work in a factory

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
08-26-2013, 05:16 AM #24
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(08-26-2013, 05:03 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?

but it does scare me to see the road this country is going down..glad I am getting old..i,ll be outta here blink.gif

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
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08-26-2013, 09:07 AM #25
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(08-26-2013, 04:44 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

So should everyone stop working because we should all be equal ?
of course not. without working people there would be no civilization.
everyone should rethink what he or she contributes to society. isn't it true that we all contribute the same? aren't all our contributions equal?
what would society be without garbage collectors and street cleaners? piles of waste would lie everywhere on the streets in the long run and plagues would haunt society.
what would society be without physicians? people and children would die of diseases which in turn would weaken the workforce of a society which in turn would lead to the destruction of that society.
etc.
etc.

in the end every person contributes the same to society. we all rely on each other.
but there still are persons who think that they're better than others and they are able to live without everyone else. they think they don't need other human beings although those human beings work for them and therefore are responsible for their wealth in this wicked kind of society we currently live in.
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08-26-2013, 09:33 AM #26
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(08-26-2013, 04:47 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:45 AM)j browsing Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 04:32 AM)j browsing Wrote:  but..but..with capitalism I can win the lottery..work hard invest my money..start my own business..and have the government tax me to death scream.gif

it is not your work that makes you wealthy. - it is the work of other people.

I dunno I worked with a lot of lazy people thru the years 37.gif the ambitious hard working ones carried them

I guess Mike Tyson got rich off of the work of other people 13.gif

yes of course.
you need much more than a little bit of boxing talent to reach an audience that is so huge that you're able to make millions.
08-26-2013, 09:39 AM #27
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(08-26-2013, 05:03 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?

chuckle.gif

Yup.
It was never about the "ideologies".


The more I learn of what is known about
Moses Mordecai Levy, the more it looks
like what he did was an ordered job.
Seems like he did not like manual labour
much himself, but he was good with words.

Must admit "Karl Marx" was one heck of
a cool stage name, though.
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08-26-2013, 09:45 AM #28
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(08-26-2013, 05:12 AM)j browsing Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 05:03 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

And how does that differ from capitalism?
a lot..my husband has relatives in eastern Europe that lived under the ussr rule..the family here would only hear from them once in a blue moon. when Poland was loosened from ussr govt..the families were able to communicate and the family here could send money to them for food and clothes..and the family in Poland could practice their religion again..and now the new generation can go to school ..and chose a career. not necessarily work in a factory

when marx thought about communism he didn't thought about it as oppressive dictatorship that dictated every single bit of your life independent of your talents.
in fact one of his slogans was "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". his vision of communism was that of a free society in which no one exploited the work of someone else and everyone had the right of free self-development.
08-26-2013, 10:01 AM #29
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(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

Bingo, and it seems like the same scenario is playing out again under the guise of capitalism. In truth, the line is so blurred now... I don't know if there is a line.

wonder.gif
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08-26-2013, 10:19 AM #30
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(08-26-2013, 10:01 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(08-26-2013, 03:25 AM)j browsing Wrote:  yep jr and that is why Russia's so called communism failed in eastern Europe and Russia..the one's at the top had the food and money and cars and nice appartments while the worker stood in food lines and faced food shortages and lived in cramped apartment buildings

Bingo, and it seems like the same scenario is playing out again under the guise of capitalism. In truth, the line is so blurred now... I don't know if there is a line.

this isn't under the guise of capitalism. it is capitalism. marx warned us.

the only reason why people still think capitalism is good is because back in the days when capitalism and communism were competing systems capitalists feared they'd lose everything if they kept the track so they started sharing a little bit of their wealth with the worker. but as soon as it was foreseeable that communism was vanquished everything slowly went back to how it used to be. :/



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