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06-21-2019, 05:58 AM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.
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06-21-2019, 06:05 AM #2
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06-21-2019, 06:22 AM #3
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(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

There is a lot.
06-21-2019, 06:32 AM #4
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(06-21-2019, 06:22 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

There is a lot.

I don't want to kill, but repeatedly it seems that from instinct we shall kill. I feel sorry for us. Meaning, that when we condone military warfare become killers (legal). We also have no qualms at killing living creatures, like spiders and flies. Do I make any sense of the struggle?

https://www.litcharts.com/lit/shooting-a...d-analysis
06-22-2019, 08:31 PM #5
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(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

Are you thinking post-apocalyptic scenario or right now?
06-22-2019, 08:33 PM #6
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What struggle to climb up are you referring to?
06-23-2019, 05:25 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-22-2019, 08:31 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

Are you thinking post-apocalyptic scenario or right now?

I was not thinking apocalypse instead how we as humans have a struggle to overcome our natural violent tendencies and knee-jerk or inherent violent responses.

Although sometimes I am pleasantly surprised as when Donald Trump called off striking Iran and killing 150 people over a downed drone. I did not take this as a military weakness - I took this as controlling immense military power and using it only if warranted. Then again, it is early days with Iran, so why more sanctions and no talks? Iran says they did not bomb the freighters. Why are they not believed? Could there be a conspiracy there to stoke war with Iran from another country? Without peace and understanding there will always be military powers threatening an apocalypse and every power wants equal nuclear power to each other.

This is just one example. Another is we humans destroying the ecosystems and habitats of creatures we share this Earth with - a type of killing without consideration or concern by some.

The uphill climb is to shed our ape-like ancestral extreme violent predisposition and try to change our predispositions towards more "sapiens" (the wise one) and less "homo" (hominid). I don't see it happening - perhaps it never will and I feel sorry for us all.

Bread and circuses forever?
06-23-2019, 06:36 PM #8
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I think it's possible, but we're all going to have to make personal efforts to make that happen.

Baboons did it:

Emergence of a Peaceful Culture in Wild Baboons

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC387823/
06-23-2019, 06:48 PM #9
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-23-2019, 06:36 PM)Octo Wrote:  I think it's possible, but we're all going to have to make personal efforts to make that happen.

Baboons did it:

Emergence of a Peaceful Culture in Wild Baboons

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC387823/

wave.gif No not buying it because I was just reading a study where humans were compared to every other animal species on the planets, and guess what? We are by far the most brutal killers of them all.
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06-23-2019, 07:09 PM #10
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(06-23-2019, 05:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-22-2019, 08:31 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

Are you thinking post-apocalyptic scenario or right now?

I was not thinking apocalypse instead how we as humans have a struggle to overcome our natural violent tendencies and knee-jerk or inherent violent responses.

Although sometimes I am pleasantly surprised as when Donald Trump called off striking Iran and killing 150 people over a downed drone. I did not take this as a military weakness - I took this as controlling immense military power and using it only if warranted. Then again, it is early days with Iran, so why more sanctions and no talks? Iran says they did not bomb the freighters. Why are they not believed? Could there be a conspiracy there to stoke war with Iran from another country? Without peace and understanding there will always be military powers threatening an apocalypse and every power wants equal nuclear power to each other.

This is just one example. Another is we humans destroying the ecosystems and habitats of creatures we share this Earth with - a type of killing without consideration or concern by some.

The uphill climb is to shed our ape-like ancestral extreme violent predisposition and try to change our predispositions towards more "sapiens" (the wise one) and less "homo" (hominid). I don't see it happening - perhaps it never will and I feel sorry for us all.

Bread and circuses forever?

I like what you said.

As for why Iran is not to be believed in their denial of setting bombs on the two ships is that a small Iranian boat was recorded going up to the freighter with the highly trained crew removing the unexploded bomb in seconds. All limpet bombs are like combination locks. They can't be removed unless you have the right set of 'keys' and know how many turns to make with each key. Without that knowledge the bomb would explode if handled.

They removed the bomb because the bomb didn't explode, and they wanted to remove the evidence.
06-23-2019, 07:29 PM #11
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-23-2019, 07:09 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(06-23-2019, 05:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-22-2019, 08:31 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(06-21-2019, 05:58 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  We as humans are so primitive and the struggle to climb up is such a struggle when we have to deal with all we have to deal with. That being, in a natural world of violence and kill or be killed.

Are you thinking post-apocalyptic scenario or right now?

I was not thinking apocalypse instead how we as humans have a struggle to overcome our natural violent tendencies and knee-jerk or inherent violent responses.

Although sometimes I am pleasantly surprised as when Donald Trump called off striking Iran and killing 150 people over a downed drone. I did not take this as a military weakness - I took this as controlling immense military power and using it only if warranted. Then again, it is early days with Iran, so why more sanctions and no talks? Iran says they did not bomb the freighters. Why are they not believed? Could there be a conspiracy there to stoke war with Iran from another country? Without peace and understanding there will always be military powers threatening an apocalypse and every power wants equal nuclear power to each other.

This is just one example. Another is we humans destroying the ecosystems and habitats of creatures we share this Earth with - a type of killing without consideration or concern by some.

The uphill climb is to shed our ape-like ancestral extreme violent predisposition and try to change our predispositions towards more "sapiens" (the wise one) and less "homo" (hominid). I don't see it happening - perhaps it never will and I feel sorry for us all.

Bread and circuses forever?

I like what you said.

As for why Iran is not to be believed in their denial of setting bombs on the two ships is that a small Iranian boat was recorded going up to the freighter with the highly trained crew removing the unexploded bomb in seconds. All limpet bombs are like combination locks. They can't be removed unless you have the right set of 'keys' and know how many turns to make with each key. Without that knowledge the bomb would explode if handled.

They removed the bomb because the bomb didn't explode, and they wanted to remove the evidence.

So, nobody but Iranians could get their hands on an Iranian boat?



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