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I've made an invention, but can't tell you what it is...yet.
08-19-2017, 06:34 AM #31
Ninelives Singing In The Rain
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(08-19-2017, 05:52 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  Woo! Woo!

A man living in Australia who has been a great supporter of mine in the past wants to wire the money to my bank early next week. It's enough money to get the patent and to order a small amount of parts, maybe enough for a thousand units.

With the patent pending, then I can show everyone what it is which will make it easier to get the rest of the needed funding.

beercheer.gif

Take your invention, write it all down on a legal pad, take it put it in a envelope, and mail it to yourself. Do not open the letter when you revive it, leave it closed. So if someone wants to steal your invention, you have the proof that this was your idea. It will hold up in a court of law. Remember do not open your letter. Put it in your safe place, so if you ever need it, you can fall back on it.

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Look Up
08-19-2017, 06:55 AM #32
dclements Member
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(08-19-2017, 06:34 AM)Ninelives Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 05:52 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  Woo! Woo!

A man living in Australia who has been a great supporter of mine in the past wants to wire the money to my bank early next week. It's enough money to get the patent and to order a small amount of parts, maybe enough for a thousand units.

With the patent pending, then I can show everyone what it is which will make it easier to get the rest of the needed funding.

beercheer.gif

Take your invention, write it all down on a legal pad, take it put it in a envelope, and mail it to yourself. Do not open the letter when you revive it, leave it closed. So if someone wants to steal your invention, you have the proof that this was your idea. It will hold up in a court of law. Remember do not open your letter. Put it in your safe place, so if you ever need it, you can fall back on it.

cheers.gif

I think you can email yourself the information about an invention and the time stamps on the email prove the actual dates. Supposedly if you have an inventor's journal, the dates you put down are acceptable, but I have no idea how you prove they are authentic other than the possibility of forging several fake dates in a detailed journal is hard to do.

To be honest I have often had ideas for inventions myself (at least a half dozen or so) but I realize without any previous successes or contacts I would have to basically do the equivalent of moving heaven and earth before anyone would lend serious support behind any of the ideas. Also I hear that the odds are about 10 to one as to whether any single idea would work and/or usually the most mundane and cheapest ideas have a better shot than anything elaborate.
08-19-2017, 06:58 AM #33
dclements Member
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BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea? Just asking.. beercheer.gif
08-19-2017, 07:57 AM #34
Ninelives Singing In The Rain
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(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

Sure I'm game, just PM with your site, in case I don't get back to this thread.

cheers.gif

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08-19-2017, 04:41 PM #35
Below Average Genius Member
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(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

If you haven't applied for a patent, you might not want to be telling or showing ANYONE what it is unless you know who they are AND they have signed a nondisclosure agreement (NDA.) A website like that would be a prime draw for folks who love to steal inventions. There are people who would sign an NDA and then blab anyway. Even if they give a hint or tell someone what it isn't, that person might be able to figure it out by process of elimination.

If you've already put it online, remove it immediately, like before you finish reading these suggestions.

Putting your invention on the internet would be the fastest way to get your invention stolen. The way the law is now, whoever applies first has the rights. Period.

I wasn't going to say anything about the suggestion to mail you invention or the schematics to yourself, but that tactic provides no protection whatsoever. That's because the law has changed. It doesn't matter if you invented it ten years before the other guy. Whoever applies first, gets the patent.

So the way to proceed is to gain the interest of potential investors by saying you've got something you think they would be interested in and they could make a lot of money on their investment. Pose it as a question. Maybe something like this: "Would you be interested in an invention that has a lot of commercial potential?" That way you get a small commitment. It can feel defeating to put it out as a statement and then not get a yes. The inclination is to push harder, but the other person hasn't given permission, so they can feel defensive about their money which their first inclination is to protect it. They might not be in the mood to discuss whatever you have, or maybe their money is tied up in losing ventures and they don't want you to know that. It could be anything. You want to get that micro commitment. If you get a yes, ask them if you could show it to them and bring the NDA with you. BTW, anyone who is serious about possibly investing should have no problem signing a nondisclosure agreement. Examples of them are online. Find the one that best works for you.

One more thing. Those who are called "Angel" investors are willing to provide smaller amounts of investment. These could be relatives or long time friends, for example. There are also professional angels. Otherwise, investors just aren't interested unless there is at least $500,000 or more likely a million dollars needed. That's because the 'headaches' from a small investment are about the same as a large one. Besides, most inventions need a good amount of money to get going. For bigger projects the million dollar investment could be an angel investment with the understanding that an additional $5 or $10 million is needed from additional sources. Sometimes the professional angel is willing to risk the smaller initial investment until he sees how the venture is going. If business hits its 'marks,' he is ready to plop down more dough.

Hope this helps. Did I mention not to put your unprotected inventions online?  chuckle.gif

Let's make 5G safe by installing zirconium ceramic bricks to the cell masts. It will save the providers billions of dollars quickly by reducing interference.

Can you ask yourself "Why do I love discovering how my protons can experience Loving Kindness?"
08-20-2017, 01:31 AM #36
Gumby AKA Chtumby
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You need a Witness. Send it to me chuckle.gif


Don’t waste your time online, invest it with steemit.com
08-22-2017, 09:30 AM #37
dclements Member
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(08-19-2017, 07:57 AM)Ninelives Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

Sure I'm game, just PM with your site, in case I don't get back to this thread.

cheers.gif
Cool! I hope to be able to be ready to submit one of my ideas in about a month or so and/or after I get enough people like you to be willing to look at it and up vote it if they like it. beercheer.gif


Sorry I'm late in replying to this, but I was kind of busy catching up in a Linux course I was doing plus feeling a little under the weather. I try to come back and reply to any post or reply directed at me within at least a day but sometimes I'm not able to.
08-22-2017, 09:39 AM #38
dclements Member
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(08-19-2017, 04:41 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

If you haven't applied for a patent, you might not want to be telling or showing ANYONE what it is unless you know who they are AND they have signed a nondisclosure agreement (NDA.) A website like that would be a prime draw for folks who love to steal inventions. There are people who would sign an NDA and then blab anyway. Even if they give a hint or tell someone what it isn't, that person might be able to figure it out by process of elimination.

If you've already put it online, remove it immediately, like before you finish reading these suggestions.

Putting your invention on the internet would be the fastest way to get your invention stolen. The way the law is now, whoever applies first has the rights. Period.

I wasn't going to say anything about the suggestion to mail you invention or the schematics to yourself, but that tactic provides no protection whatsoever. That's because the law has changed. It doesn't matter if you invented it ten years before the other guy. Whoever applies first, gets the patent.

So the way to proceed is to gain the interest of potential investors by saying you've got something you think they would be interested in and they could make a lot of money on their investment. Pose it as a question. Maybe something like this: "Would you be interested in an invention that has a lot of commercial potential?" That way you get a small commitment. It can feel defeating to put it out as a statement and then not get a yes. The inclination is to push harder, but the other person hasn't given permission, so they can feel defensive about their money which their first inclination is to protect it. They might not be in the mood to discuss whatever you have, or maybe their money is tied up in losing ventures and they don't want you to know that. It could be anything. You want to get that micro commitment. If you get a yes, ask them if you could show it to them and bring the NDA with you. BTW, anyone who is serious about possibly investing should have no problem signing a nondisclosure agreement. Examples of them are online. Find the one that best works for you.

One more thing. Those who are called "Angel" investors are willing to provide smaller amounts of investment. These could be relatives or long time friends, for example. There are also professional angels. Otherwise, investors just aren't interested unless there is at least $500,000 or more likely a million dollars needed. That's because the 'headaches' from a small investment are about the same as a large one. Besides, most inventions need a good amount of money to get going. For bigger projects the million dollar investment could be an angel investment with the understanding that an additional $5 or $10 million is needed from additional sources. Sometimes the professional angel is willing to risk the smaller initial investment until he sees how the venture is going. If business hits its 'marks,' he is ready to plop down more dough.

Hope this helps. Did I mention not to put your unprotected inventions online?  chuckle.gif
I'll take what you said into consideration. To be honest I have almost never talked, written, or posted any of my ideas merely out of the fear of someone taking it, but because of that I have also realized through experience that often other people come up with similar ideas while you are waiting. For example while trying to set up a point of sale unit (ie cash register) at one of the small mom&pop computer repair shops I worked at, I considered the possibility of creating an computer or smart phone ap that could work in it's place. A couple years later I saw a show describing a guy who was considered "clever" for coming up with such a program.
08-22-2017, 09:40 AM #39
dclements Member
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(08-20-2017, 01:31 AM)Gumby Wrote:  You need a Witness. Send it to me  chuckle.gif
Ok. cheers.gif
08-22-2017, 08:07 PM #40
Below Average Genius Member
Posts:3,008 Threads:305 Joined:Apr 2013
(08-22-2017, 09:39 AM)dclements Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 04:41 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

If you haven't applied for a patent, you might not want to be telling or showing ANYONE what it is unless you know who they are AND they have signed a nondisclosure agreement (NDA.) A website like that would be a prime draw for folks who love to steal inventions. There are people who would sign an NDA and then blab anyway. Even if they give a hint or tell someone what it isn't, that person might be able to figure it out by process of elimination.

If you've already put it online, remove it immediately, like before you finish reading these suggestions.

Putting your invention on the internet would be the fastest way to get your invention stolen. The way the law is now, whoever applies first has the rights. Period.

I wasn't going to say anything about the suggestion to mail you invention or the schematics to yourself, but that tactic provides no protection whatsoever. That's because the law has changed. It doesn't matter if you invented it ten years before the other guy. Whoever applies first, gets the patent.

So the way to proceed is to gain the interest of potential investors by saying you've got something you think they would be interested in and they could make a lot of money on their investment. Pose it as a question. Maybe something like this: "Would you be interested in an invention that has a lot of commercial potential?" That way you get a small commitment. It can feel defeating to put it out as a statement and then not get a yes. The inclination is to push harder, but the other person hasn't given permission, so they can feel defensive about their money which their first inclination is to protect it. They might not be in the mood to discuss whatever you have, or maybe their money is tied up in losing ventures and they don't want you to know that. It could be anything. You want to get that micro commitment. If you get a yes, ask them if you could show it to them and bring the NDA with you. BTW, anyone who is serious about possibly investing should have no problem signing a nondisclosure agreement. Examples of them are online. Find the one that best works for you.

One more thing. Those who are called "Angel" investors are willing to provide smaller amounts of investment. These could be relatives or long time friends, for example. There are also professional angels. Otherwise, investors just aren't interested unless there is at least $500,000 or more likely a million dollars needed. That's because the 'headaches' from a small investment are about the same as a large one. Besides, most inventions need a good amount of money to get going. For bigger projects the million dollar investment could be an angel investment with the understanding that an additional $5 or $10 million is needed from additional sources. Sometimes the professional angel is willing to risk the smaller initial investment until he sees how the venture is going. If business hits its 'marks,' he is ready to plop down more dough.

Hope this helps. Did I mention not to put your unprotected inventions online?  chuckle.gif
I'll take what you said into consideration. To be honest I have almost never talked, written, or posted any of my ideas merely out of the fear of someone taking it, but because of that I have also realized through experience that often other people come up with similar ideas while you are waiting. For example while trying to set up a point of sale unit (ie cash register) at one of the small mom&pop computer repair shops I worked at, I considered the possibility of creating an computer or smart phone ap that could work in it's place. A couple years later I saw a show describing a guy who was considered "clever" for coming up with such a program.

If you share your invention online, you are guaranteeing its theft if the invention is at all marketable. It's not worth a few ego strokes.

Never share without an NDA and only allow NDAs with potential investors. Anyone else doesn't care if they violate the NDA because they have no skin in the game.

Let's make 5G safe by installing zirconium ceramic bricks to the cell masts. It will save the providers billions of dollars quickly by reducing interference.

Can you ask yourself "Why do I love discovering how my protons can experience Loving Kindness?"
08-23-2017, 12:16 PM #41
The Black Friar Member
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(08-19-2017, 04:41 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(08-19-2017, 06:58 AM)dclements Wrote:  BTW, if I happen to submit an idea for an invention and I need people to support or up vote it in order for it to get to the next level, can I count on anyone here to support me by possibly creating an account on such a site and vote for it if they think it is a good idea?  Just asking..  beercheer.gif

If you haven't applied for a patent, you might not want to be telling or showing ANYONE what it is unless you know who they are AND they have signed a nondisclosure agreement (NDA.) A website like that would be a prime draw for folks who love to steal inventions. There are people who would sign an NDA and then blab anyway. Even if they give a hint or tell someone what it isn't, that person might be able to figure it out by process of elimination.

If you've already put it online, remove it immediately, like before you finish reading these suggestions.

Putting your invention on the internet would be the fastest way to get your invention stolen. The way the law is now, whoever applies first has the rights. Period.

I wasn't going to say anything about the suggestion to mail you invention or the schematics to yourself, but that tactic provides no protection whatsoever. That's because the law has changed. It doesn't matter if you invented it ten years before the other guy. Whoever applies first, gets the patent.

So the way to proceed is to gain the interest of potential investors by saying you've got something you think they would be interested in and they could make a lot of money on their investment. Pose it as a question. Maybe something like this: "Would you be interested in an invention that has a lot of commercial potential?" That way you get a small commitment. It can feel defeating to put it out as a statement and then not get a yes. The inclination is to push harder, but the other person hasn't given permission, so they can feel defensive about their money which their first inclination is to protect it. They might not be in the mood to discuss whatever you have, or maybe their money is tied up in losing ventures and they don't want you to know that. It could be anything. You want to get that micro commitment. If you get a yes, ask them if you could show it to them and bring the NDA with you. BTW, anyone who is serious about possibly investing should have no problem signing a nondisclosure agreement. Examples of them are online. Find the one that best works for you.

One more thing. Those who are called "Angel" investors are willing to provide smaller amounts of investment. These could be relatives or long time friends, for example. There are also professional angels. Otherwise, investors just aren't interested unless there is at least $500,000 or more likely a million dollars needed. That's because the 'headaches' from a small investment are about the same as a large one. Besides, most inventions need a good amount of money to get going. For bigger projects the million dollar investment could be an angel investment with the understanding that an additional $5 or $10 million is needed from additional sources. Sometimes the professional angel is willing to risk the smaller initial investment until he sees how the venture is going. If business hits its 'marks,' he is ready to plop down more dough.

Hope this helps. Did I mention not to put your unprotected inventions online?  chuckle.gif

Solid advice.
08-24-2017, 02:18 AM #42
Below Average Genius Member
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A man in Australia who has never met me raised the initial funds to get the company started on a shoestring! A check has already been sent to the patent attorney's office.  beercheer.gif

Will start ordering parts as soon as the logo design is returned which could be tonight. It could take a month to get all the parts. What the invention is can be revealed probably in two weeks. Yay! Octo is going to freak when she sees it. LOL

Let's make 5G safe by installing zirconium ceramic bricks to the cell masts. It will save the providers billions of dollars quickly by reducing interference.

Can you ask yourself "Why do I love discovering how my protons can experience Loving Kindness?"
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08-24-2017, 05:06 AM #43
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(08-24-2017, 02:18 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  A man in Australia who has never met me raised the initial funds to get the company started on a shoestring! A check has already been sent to the patent attorney's office.  beercheer.gif

Will start ordering parts as soon as the logo design is returned which could be tonight. It could take a month to get all the parts. What the invention is can be revealed probably in two weeks. Yay! Octo is going to freak when she sees it. LOL

does it involve water?
08-24-2017, 06:13 AM #44
Octo Mother Superior
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(08-24-2017, 02:18 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  A man in Australia who has never met me raised the initial funds to get the company started on a shoestring! A check has already been sent to the patent attorney's office.  beercheer.gif

Will start ordering parts as soon as the logo design is returned which could be tonight. It could take a month to get all the parts. What the invention is can be revealed probably in two weeks. Yay! Octo is going to freak when she sees it. LOL

hyper.gif
08-24-2017, 07:34 AM #45
Below Average Genius Member
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(08-24-2017, 05:06 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-24-2017, 02:18 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  A man in Australia who has never met me raised the initial funds to get the company started on a shoestring! A check has already been sent to the patent attorney's office.  beercheer.gif

Will start ordering parts as soon as the logo design is returned which could be tonight. It could take a month to get all the parts. What the invention is can be revealed probably in two weeks. Yay! Octo is going to freak when she sees it. LOL

does it involve water?

Does Octo freak out at water? chuckle.gif

Let's make 5G safe by installing zirconium ceramic bricks to the cell masts. It will save the providers billions of dollars quickly by reducing interference.

Can you ask yourself "Why do I love discovering how my protons can experience Loving Kindness?"



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