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(04-23-2014, 05:24 PM)JayRodney Wrote:Russian aristocrats (Royal Bloodline Elites) have been vacationing in the Crimea for at least hundreds of years...(04-23-2014, 04:40 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:(04-23-2014, 03:54 PM)JayRodney Wrote: History being taken into account, I believe a hands off policy by the US and NATO would be wise, but the bully club gathering is a little unnerving.
It's more like Putin and his Parliament are the bullies, but it seems the sanctions are causing economic problems for Russians, so let's see just how far NATO can take this with the pro-Russians hold up in those gov't buildings.
What I meant was Crimea was part of Russia for a very long time. Being mostly Russian, in terms of language and history, they held a referendum and decided to rejoin.
They did so of their own free will.
The pro-Russians occupying gov't buildings in the Ukraine is a separate issue, at least the way I see it.
I believe the Russians should pressure them to leave, but as far as I know, it's not Russian troops.
I don't know that anyone has a real good handle on this, and before shots are fired and bombs dropped, I hope both sides will strive for a diplomatic solution.
The US spent years in two wars they should have never been involved in, I'm tired of watching the same mistakes over and over.
(04-23-2014, 06:18 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:(04-23-2014, 06:04 PM)Octo Wrote:(04-23-2014, 05:54 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea
Nobody really has a good handle on this because of confusing past history and from the above quote it looks like Crimea was within Ukraine's administration up until recently when Putin and his Parliament decided that they wanted the land for the benefit of Russia. The way Putin and his Parliament handled this is very underhanded and self-serving IMO.
As for pro-Russians in the remaining Ukraine, I heard on the radio news that they are a 6% of the entire population there and most believe that they are indeed Russian troops hold up in those buildings.
If the members of NATO feel it necessary to show strength and solidarity, then I am sure there are very good reasons. To end this, I think NATO should extinquish the pro-Russian protest or at least prove they are not Russian troops, by giving them amnesty and shipping their asses to Putin.
Ukraine is not a NATO member so there's absolutely no reason for them to get involved.
The old Ukraine was not a NATO member perhaps for reasons of Russian control through the old leader, but it seems the new Ukrainian Minister and people are trying to run things themselves, now.
Quote:The minister said he had held talks with officials from the United States and the European Union and then asked NATO for help after what Ukraine's prime minister described as Russian aggression.
(04-23-2014, 08:20 PM)JayRodney Wrote: It's not like WWII when Hitler developed a hankering for Polish food and moved in. That was the point I was trying to make.During World War Two the total Russian losses within the post war 1946-91 boundaries were around 26.6 million people (13.5% of the total population of 196.7 million) were killed...
(04-23-2014, 11:04 PM)Octo Wrote: But of course DailyMail had to dramatize itI read somewhere else that they stayed in international space ..so doesn't surprise me this got dramatized
RAF Typhoon scrambled after two Russian planes stray into UK airspace today
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...today.html
Quote:The UK on Wednesday scrambled several Typhoon fighter jets to see off two “unidentified aircraft flying near the north of Scotland,” a UK Defense Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters. The agency said Britain’s Royal Air Force later identified the aircraft as Russian Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bombers, commonly known by their NATO reporting name “Bear.” The planes “were flying in international airspace at all times, they didn’t go into UK sovereign airspace,” the spokeswoman said, adding that there had been eight similar incidents in 2013. Local media reports claimed that two Russian bombers turned away and flew towards Scandinavia after being contacted by the British jets.
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