to talk about flat earth and the Infinite Plane?
Notice that I kept the offending words out of the title.

I really don't understand why this site is so unused. The formatting is superior and I've seen little interference from mods.

Free speech should be the most important idea on the internet. We certainly don't see independent thinking in the media. Politics has taken over where religion left off. Science has become all theory and no empirical evidence. Modern culture has become banal and immoral.
Is it true, as David Icke says, that people have become thoroughly dumb, drugged, and docile?


I contend that the world is a stationary plane.
I also accuse the Body Scientific of total deception.
There is no way astronomers and physicists can believe that earth is a spinning ball in a vacuum.

I will register if this thread survives and admin does not block me.

I am open to debate and hope a civil discussion will follow.

Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,

(06-08-2019, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,  

Excellent!

1. Curvature. Spherical trigonometry dictates that the globe should exhibit a curve of 8 inches per mile squared. No experiments on land or water have ever proven this math to be accurate. On the contrary, with proper telephoto lenses, objects can be detected far beyond the expected curvature. Example: Photos of Chicago from across Lake Michigan.

2. Atmosphere vs space vacuum. Space theoretically begins 62 miles above the earth’s surface, at the Karman Line. The laws of physics say that a vacuum can not exist next to an atmosphere. Without a barrier to separate the two areas, the atmosphere would instantly escape into the hard vacuum of space. Example: open a tank of compressed air; the oxygen or other gases inside the tank will rush outside to achieve equilibrium of air pressure. A vacuum cannot exist next to the atmosphere.

3. Water. Liquid water always seeks its own level. Gravity, which is really the function of density (weight) of objects over distances, cannot cause oceans to curve around the globe. Sea level must be consistent throughout the world. Water, in other words, can not curve. Example: the Pacific Ocean, sea level.

4. Centrifugal force. If earth rotated at 1000 mph at the equator, nothing could withstand being thrown off of it along a curved or tangential path. Gravity is said to be the weakest force in the universe. It is, under any circumstances, unable to overcome the extreme speed of rotation. Gravity is actually the ratio of densities of adjacent objects, such as the density of water compared to that of air.. Examples include insects, clouds, smoke, other low density-objects which rise above the earth despite the alleged gravity and centrifugal force. Example: merry-go-rounds.

5. Authorities.  Professionals in many fields --pilots, engineers, surveyors, gunners, artillerymen, radar operators, etc. -- do not account for curvature in any manner. Example: surveyors never adjust for earth curvature when they design canals, causeway bridges, railroad lines.

6 Moon and sun. Both objects appear to the eye to be the same size, though the moon is around 238,000 miles away and the sun is 93 million miles distant. Sunlight beams deny the claim that rays enter earth’s atmosphere in parallel beams. Using simple geometry, one can determine that the triangular pattern results in a distance of only 3000 miles above. The moon emits a cooling light which illuminates only the clouds which are near it, not those that are further away. Example: sunlight beaming rays through clouds (crepuscular rays) form a triangle with a base of less than 8,000 miles miles

7. Constellations. Star patterns have not altered appreciably in human history. Considering speeds of celestial objects which travel billions of miles per year in multiple directions, as well as earth’s own rotation, revolution around the sun, following the sun through the universe, we should observe some changes in as little as 6 months (stellar parallax). But no such changes have been seen in 6000 years. Example: Orion, Polaris  in the same locations for millennia.

8. Airplane travel. Flights to and from countries in the southern hemisphere always pass over countries in the north, even though they could refuel in places along a direct route. When plotted on the flat earth map, the planes show that they follow a straight line. Example: flights between South America, Africa, Australia.. 

9. No Sensation of movement. If earth actually rotated and revolved around the sun at 67,000 mph, we should hear sonic booms and be swept away by winds far beyond hurricane strength.       Examples: quiet, calm days, east-to-west winds

10. Photographs of earth from space. There are no legitimate pictures or videos of earth.  All pictorial evidence is computer-generated, as are almost all photos of celestial objects. NASA even says that these photographs were created to “match people’s expectations.”  
Other evident fakery from space agencies, including the ISS and the Space Shuttle, further supports the argument that our ideas about space are entirely faked.

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1. clouds don't move during the 5-hour transit
2. size of the US is wrong -- at 3000 miles wide, it should be 3/8th the diameter of the blue sphere (8000 miles)
3. moon is 2-dimensionally flat and does not rotate clockwise as advertised by Nasa
4. moon travels in a straight line while the EPIC "geostationary" satellite maintained an amazing fixed position
5. earth exhibits a curious pareidolia in the appearance of an angry clown with one eye closed and the other one open and baleful (the dark object off the coast of California)
Overall, a slipshod product, its many glaring peculiarities a test of human discernment.

Example: Photos of Chicago from across Lake Michigan.

So you're saying people can see ground-level Chicago from long distances across Lake Michigan? I think, depending on the distance, you would see just the tops of buildings.

Why don't you go and see for yourself?

(06-08-2019, 08:46 PM)RiskyRob Wrote:  Example: Photos of Chicago from across Lake Michigan.

So you're saying people can see ground-level Chicago from long distances across Lake Michigan? I think, depending on the distance, you would see just the tops of buildings.

Why don't you go and see for yourself?

I've seen the effect myself from across the lake in New Orleans. From a distance of 20 miles, I could see the Superdome.



Spherical trigonometry must be applied in any calculation of curvature.
Angular compression makes it impossible to objects at the vanishing point, where all lines of convergence meet. Which means that ground level objects are blurred. A non sequitur since we are really looking at the heights of structures.

Chicago has been photographed many times by people on the opposite bank of Lake Michigan, from distances up to 50 and 60 miles. At 50 miles, the math obtains a drop of 1666.666 feet. At all times and distances the tallest building, the Willis Tower, is visible. Its height without the antenna is 1450 feet.

In all pictures, even those of amateurs, the city is clearly visible. If earth were a globe the entire skyline would be obscured by a hill of water.

I know that a lot of people, myself included, don't want to watch videos. This one is 14 min. It shows views that are impossible on a globe that is supposed to be 8,000 miles in diameter. Here we see 700 miles.


JTolan Media1

Published on Jun 1, 2019

Amazing Aerial Near Infrared (NIR) imagery captured with a Sony E PZ 18-105mm G lens and modified Sony camera, (830 nm IR).

I think your maths is wonky.

At 40 miles, across a lake, the curvature would add up to about 26 feet. Subtract the average height and only objects greater than 20 feet tall would be visible.

It's not thousands of feet, just 25 feet or so of curve masking.

(06-09-2019, 12:20 AM)RiskyRob Wrote:  I think your maths is wonky.

At 40 miles, across a lake, the curvature would add up to about 26 feet. Subtract the average height and only objects greater than 20 feet tall would be visible.

It's not thousands of feet, just 25 feet or so of curve masking.

My math? Check out Metabunk, no friend of flat earth. And other "earth curve calculator" sites.

The basic formula is 8×d^.
The drop is 8 inches times the square of miles distance.

So, observer height and target height being equal, for
1 mile, the drop is 8 inches.
For 2 miles it's 8x(2×2) = 32 inches.
3 miles, 8x(3×3) = 72 inches. 6 feet.

4 miles, 8x(40×40)= 12,800 inches ÷ 12 = 1066.666 feet

(06-09-2019, 01:03 AM)grav Wrote:  

(06-09-2019, 12:20 AM)RiskyRob Wrote:  I think your maths is wonky.

At 40 miles, across a lake, the curvature would add up to about 26 feet. Subtract the average height and only objects greater than 20 feet tall would be visible.

It's not thousands of feet, just 25 feet or so of curve masking.

My math? Check out Metabunk, no friend of flat earth. And other "earth curve calculator" sites.

The basic formula is 8×d^.
The drop is 8 inches times the square of miles distance.

So, observer height and target height being equal, for
1 mile, the drop is 8 inches.
For 2 miles it's 8x(2×2) = 32 inches.
3 miles, 8x(3×3) = 72 inches. 6 feet.

4 miles, 8x(40×40)= 12,800 inches ÷ 12 = 1066.666 feet

The drop is 8 inches per mile, but not linear, so at 6 miles it actually would be about 23 feet. Not 1066 feet at 4 miles.

http://earthcurvature.com

(06-09-2019, 01:17 AM)RiskyRob Wrote:  

(06-09-2019, 01:03 AM)grav Wrote:  

(06-09-2019, 12:20 AM)RiskyRob Wrote:  I think your maths is wonky.

At 40 miles, across a lake, the curvature would add up to about 26 feet. Subtract the average height and only objects greater than 20 feet tall would be visible.

It's not thousands of feet, just 25 feet or so of curve masking.

My math? Check out Metabunk, no friend of flat earth. And other "earth curve calculator" sites.

The basic formula is 8×d^.
The drop is 8 inches times the square of miles distance.

So, observer height and target height being equal, for
1 mile, the drop is 8 inches.
For 2 miles it's 8x(2×2) = 32 inches.
3 miles, 8x(3×3) = 72 inches. 6 feet.

4 miles, 8x(40×40)= 12,800 inches ÷ 12 = 1066.666 feet

The drop is 8 inches per mile, but not linear, so at 6 miles it actually would be about 23 feet. Not 1066 feet at 4 miles.

http://earthcurvature.com

Oops. I dropped a zero.
But my equation was correct. 8x(40x40)

A curved line requires spherical trigonometry, which accounts for the constant progression of drop.
But it will only work until the curve bends back on itself. Like the curve between the North Pole and equator. After that, the math is meaningless.

(06-08-2019, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,  

This Grav character is a virus spreading throughout all forums.

I cannot tolerate her nonsense, so Octo, it was a brief re-visit, wish everyone good luck and I am out of here.

Cheers folks.

(06-09-2019, 04:28 AM)Nomadictraveller Wrote:  

(06-08-2019, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,  

This Grav character is a virus spreading throughout all forums.

I cannot tolerate her nonsense, so Octo, it was a brief re-visit, wish everyone good luck and I am out of here.  

Cheers folks.

^That's why grav has been kicked from All the afore mentioned forums,among other reasons.

(06-09-2019, 04:28 AM)Nomadictraveller Wrote:  

(06-08-2019, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,  

This Grav character is a virus spreading throughout all forums.

I cannot tolerate her nonsense, so Octo, it was a brief re-visit, wish everyone good luck and I am out of here.  


Cheers folks.

Are you (Nomad) Dark Knight? from COP and Fringe?

If you can't think outside the box, retreat to your safe space.
Adios.



Edit. I have never been kicked from any forum. Well, Astro did ban me from glp donkey years ago.
I'm on strike from lop. Still a registered member.

(06-09-2019, 04:38 AM)grav Wrote:  

(06-09-2019, 04:28 AM)Nomadictraveller Wrote:  

(06-08-2019, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  Sure you can make your case regarding flat earth. Just make sense and provide evidence,  

This Grav character is a virus spreading throughout all forums.

I cannot tolerate her nonsense, so Octo, it was a brief re-visit, wish everyone good luck and I am out of here.  


Cheers folks.

Are you (Nomad) Dark Knight? from COP and Fringe?

If you can't think outside the box, retreat to your safe space.
Adios.



Edit. I have never been kicked from any forum. Well, Astro did ban me from glp donkey years ago.
I'm on strike from lop. Still a registered member.

Your flat earth thread is locked at lop,funny you didn't mention that.
No one could stand it anymore.
The-Fringe doesn't want you either.
AE peeps don't want you either.
That's why you are trying here now.
Everywhere you go it ends up the same.
This in itself should tell you something:
Start Your Own Forum.