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Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?
03-15-2016, 10:26 AM #16
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This is where I was going. But yours works, too... hi5.gif
03-15-2016, 01:52 PM #17
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(03-14-2016, 08:00 AM)Jim Rat Wrote:  If Salvation is another word for reconciliation,

Salvation is not another word for reconciliation. That is just a preacher's way of covering up the "truth" of damnation. The same damnation created by god is exactly what you are being "saved" from.

I know, I know... Hell wasn't created for people. Wasn't it? Isn't god all knowing? Didn't he know we were going to end up there and have to be "saved" from it by having his "son" tortured and murdered? Didn't he know we were going to "sin" when he put the tree in Eden? Didn't he know he setting us up for a future of pain and suffering when he "created" us?

Try reading the entire Bible and applying logic to what it says. Don't just pick and choose parts that sound nice. Read the ENTIRE book. Study it.

Unless you are happy as a Christian. If you are then keep picking and choosing because if you apply logic to something illogical it will change your life.

Now consider the billions of people that he condemned to the eternal damnation he created simply because they never heard of him.

And you think that could all be true?

Please excuse my tone. I don't have a problem with you. I have a problem with a god that would have let a thousand innocent children under the age of five suffer and die of disease (Which he created), abuse and starvation while I was typing this response.

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They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
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03-15-2016, 07:56 PM #18
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(03-15-2016, 07:09 AM)Jim Rat Wrote:  
(03-14-2016, 09:24 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(03-14-2016, 08:02 PM)Jim Rat Wrote:  
(03-14-2016, 05:49 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's about as convoluted FUBAR as you can get. Spirituality is not learned from a book, or a religion.

I agree, too. But our definition of religion may be different.

That definition aside, is morality not the main thing that you look for from your religion?

Regards
DL

I noticed you didn't answer the questions I asked. Instead, you pile on even more questions. I expected an exchange of ideas. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

BTW, Catholic, is that you?

I do not see a question mark to your statement, that is not a question.

I also expected an exchange but only got a deflection.

Again, is it's moral teachings the most important part of a religion?

I also expected an exchange on post 8. Was it too difficult for you to speak to?

Regards
DL
03-15-2016, 08:34 PM #19
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(03-15-2016, 07:56 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Again, is it's moral teachings the most important part of a religion?

I think you'd better ask religious people. You won't find many of those here.
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03-15-2016, 08:47 PM #20
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(03-15-2016, 08:34 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 07:56 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Again, is it's moral teachings the most important part of a religion?

I think you'd better ask religious people. You won't find many of those here.

If any here cannot see that the answer should be yes, then they are not worthy thinkers.

The morals given by any theology or philosophy should be the most important thing of each of those respectively.

Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

Regards
DL
03-15-2016, 08:55 PM #21
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(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

For those who cannot think for themselves it seems.
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03-15-2016, 08:58 PM #22
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(03-15-2016, 08:55 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

For those who cannot think for themselves it seems.

Indeed. Do you not recognize that the vast majority, as has always been the case, are sheeple and need guidance?

That is why immoral religions like Islam and Christianity continue to exist. The sheeple refuse to or cannot think for themselves and just follow whatever their tribe or majority decides. That is also why they hate those who can think for themselves.

Regards
DL
03-16-2016, 12:02 AM #23
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(03-15-2016, 08:58 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:55 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

For those who cannot think for themselves it seems.

Indeed. Do you not recognize that the vast majority, as has always been the case, are sheeple and need guidance?

That is why immoral religions like Islam and Christianity continue to exist. The sheeple refuse to or cannot think for themselves and just follow whatever their tribe or majority decides. That is also why they hate those who can think for themselves.

Regards
DL

They exist for three reasons. People love the idea of a heavenly reward. They are terrified eternal damnation might be real. It often helps excuse their vile behavior.

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor
03-16-2016, 05:00 AM #24
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Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels with bricks of Religion
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03-16-2016, 06:10 AM #25
Jim Rat Member
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I'm not a Theologian, so I don't claim to have all the answers (real Theologians don't either). Also, there are so many threads here there's no way I can address all of them, so I won't try.

So I'll just do what almost everyone else has done and just relate my Belief System(BS).

I asked whatshisname to define Universalism and hell but he failed. My BS says that Universalism means that everyone CAN be "saved" but that not everyone will. Christ teaches that so it's hard to argue. Since Christ teaches it, it's not an "evil lie" by definition. Christians disagree on what hell is. Fundamentalists and Atheists say it's a place of fire and brimstone. Some say it's a state of separation from God, others say it's annihilation. Some others even say there is no hell, it's just a metaphor. So before you get all excited about hell make sure your audience knows what the hell you're talking about.

The question of whether those who have never heard of Christ go to hell. Jesus said the most important commandment was "To love God." The 2nd most important was "To love each other". At another place He said, "If you love Me, you will obey my commandment, which is this, 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself'" That's it. That's the whole secret of salvation. It's love. If you can do that then you're obeying Christ's commandments. This is why I acted the way I did around "religious" talk. I don't believe in religions, I just believe in God's love.

BTW, God doesn't SEND anyone to hell. You have to volunteer to go. It's all about Free Will. You can choose God or you can turn away. Your choice.

This is getting too long so I'll stop. Glad to engage in conversation with anyone open-minded enough to at least try to understand...
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03-16-2016, 09:35 AM #26
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(03-15-2016, 01:52 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(03-14-2016, 08:00 AM)Jim Rat Wrote:  If Salvation is another word for reconciliation,

Salvation is not another word for reconciliation. That is just a preacher's way of covering up the "truth" of damnation. The same damnation created by god is exactly what you are being "saved" from.

I know, I know... Hell wasn't created for people. Wasn't it? Isn't god all knowing? Didn't he know we were going to end up there and have to be "saved" from it by having his "son" tortured and murdered? Didn't he know we were going to "sin" when he put the tree in Eden? Didn't he know he setting us up for a future of pain and suffering when he "created" us?

Try reading the entire Bible and applying logic to what it says. Don't just pick and choose parts that sound nice. Read the ENTIRE book. Study it.

Unless you are happy as a Christian. If you are then keep picking and choosing because if you apply logic to something illogical it will change your life.

Now consider the billions of people that he condemned to the eternal damnation he created simply because they never heard of him.

And you think that could all be true?

Please excuse my tone. I don't have a problem with you. I have a problem with a god that would have let a thousand innocent children under the age of five suffer and die of disease (Which he created), abuse and starvation while I was typing this response.

You cant, the testaments collide with one another as if it were the clash of civilizations itself. Old is the hebrew rebrand of older myths taken from the first civilizations and their narrative on how they were chosen and protected by their god (read history from that period to see how well it worked) along with custos, laws and tradition that seems barbaric when compared with that of those early paganists, New, the apology to the harshness of the Old and an attempt to take by rewarding what could before be obtained through punishment. My 2 cents, religion is the fourth stately power of ruling and anything it pitches is at best a bad rehash of stories as old as humanity itself.
03-16-2016, 11:39 AM #27
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03-16-2016, 01:39 PM #28
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(03-16-2016, 09:35 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 01:52 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(03-14-2016, 08:00 AM)Jim Rat Wrote:  If Salvation is another word for reconciliation,

Salvation is not another word for reconciliation. That is just a preacher's way of covering up the "truth" of damnation. The same damnation created by god is exactly what you are being "saved" from.

I know, I know... Hell wasn't created for people. Wasn't it? Isn't god all knowing? Didn't he know we were going to end up there and have to be "saved" from it by having his "son" tortured and murdered? Didn't he know we were going to "sin" when he put the tree in Eden? Didn't he know he setting us up for a future of pain and suffering when he "created" us?

Try reading the entire Bible and applying logic to what it says. Don't just pick and choose parts that sound nice. Read the ENTIRE book. Study it.

Unless you are happy as a Christian. If you are then keep picking and choosing because if you apply logic to something illogical it will change your life.

Now consider the billions of people that he condemned to the eternal damnation he created simply because they never heard of him.

And you think that could all be true?

Please excuse my tone. I don't have a problem with you. I have a problem with a god that would have let a thousand innocent children under the age of five suffer and die of disease (Which he created), abuse and starvation while I was typing this response.

You cant, the testaments collide with one another as if it were the clash of civilizations itself. Old is the hebrew rebrand of older myths taken from the first civilizations and their narrative on how they were chosen and protected by their god (read history from that period to see how well it worked) along with custos, laws and tradition that seems barbaric when compared with that of those early paganists, New, the apology to the harshness of the Old and an attempt to take by rewarding what could before be obtained through punishment. My 2 cents, religion is the fourth stately power of ruling and anything it pitches is at best a bad rehash of stories as old as humanity itself.

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Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor
03-16-2016, 01:45 PM #29
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I'm going to vomit if I see another religion type thread.. Everyone is going to burn In hell..

Amen..

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03-16-2016, 02:12 PM #30
Ninelives I bite !!!
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(03-16-2016, 01:45 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  I'm going to vomit if I see another religion type thread.. Everyone is going to burn In hell..

Amen..

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It all boils down to what is in ones heart, it so easy for one to believe in hell and internal damnation.

Bring the word Yahweh in and shït hits the fan.

To each their own, I happen to know where my blessings and life come from, My Father God whom sent me back, life after death, try it out !!!

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