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Is the need of salvation an evil lie from religions?
03-16-2016, 04:02 PM #31
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(03-16-2016, 02:12 PM)Ninelives Wrote:  
(03-16-2016, 01:45 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  I'm going to vomit if I see another religion type thread.. Everyone is going to burn In hell..

Amen..

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It all boils down to what is in ones heart, it so easy for one to believe in hell and internal damnation.

Bring the word Yahweh in and shït hits the fan.

To each their own, I happen to know where my blessings and life come from, My Father God whom sent me back, life after death, try it out !!!

I could talk about spirituality for days, I do, just not here. None of it involves religion or its dogma..
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03-16-2016, 04:58 PM #32
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(03-16-2016, 04:02 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(03-16-2016, 02:12 PM)Ninelives Wrote:  
(03-16-2016, 01:45 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  I'm going to vomit if I see another religion type thread.. Everyone is going to burn In hell..

Amen..

:didavomitburp:


It all boils down to what is in ones heart, it so easy for one to believe in hell and internal damnation.

Bring the word Yahweh in and shït hits the fan.

To each their own, I happen to know where my blessings and life come from, My Father God whom sent me back, life after death, try it out !!!

I could talk about spirituality for days, I do, just not here. None of it involves religion or its dogma..

Indeed. One has little to do with the other even as a person can be involved with both.

The archetypal Jesus was spiritual and not religious so I think some of the words put in his mouth by the scribes have value.

I do not like the Roman created Jesus as he is a Roman ass kissing Jesus. That one is not worth spit and his views are quite immoral.

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DL
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03-16-2016, 05:04 PM #33
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(03-16-2016, 12:02 AM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:58 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:55 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

For those who cannot think for themselves it seems.

Indeed. Do you not recognize that the vast majority, as has always been the case, are sheeple and need guidance?

That is why immoral religions like Islam and Christianity continue to exist. The sheeple refuse to or cannot think for themselves and just follow whatever their tribe or majority decides. That is also why they hate those who can think for themselves.

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DL

They exist for three reasons. People love the idea of a heavenly reward. They are terrified eternal damnation might be real. It often helps excuse their vile behavior.

I agree that people love to believe in lies if it makes them feel good.

I do not think that that many are that delusional though and I think they just lie about their beliefs. They just want to be in a tribe to assuage their insecurities. That is what I see most mentally dull people doing.

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DL
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03-16-2016, 05:07 PM #34
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(03-16-2016, 05:00 AM)DiggerDawg Wrote:  Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels with bricks of Religion
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Is this a reference to St. Peters Cathedral that the church paid for with the work of Temple Prostitutes? Many temples were paid for in that exact way.

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03-16-2016, 05:11 PM #35
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(03-16-2016, 06:10 AM)Jim Rat Wrote:  I'm not a Theologian, so I don't claim to have all the answers (real Theologians don't either). Also, there are so many threads here there's no way I can address all of them, so I won't try.

So I'll just do what almost everyone else has done and just relate my Belief System(BS).

I asked whatshisname to define Universalism and hell but he failed. My BS says that Universalism means that everyone CAN be "saved" but that not everyone will. Christ teaches that so it's hard to argue. Since Christ teaches it, it's not an "evil lie" by definition. Christians disagree on what hell is. Fundamentalists and Atheists say it's a place of fire and brimstone. Some say it's a state of separation from God, others say it's annihilation. Some others even say there is no hell, it's just a metaphor. So before you get all excited about hell make sure your audience knows what the hell you're talking about.

The question of whether those who have never heard of Christ go to hell. Jesus said the most important commandment was "To love God." The 2nd most important was "To love each other". At another place He said, "If you love Me, you will obey my commandment, which is this, 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself'" That's it. That's the whole secret of salvation. It's love. If you can do that then you're obeying Christ's commandments. This is why I acted the way I did around "religious" talk. I don't believe in religions, I just believe in God's love.

BTW, God doesn't SEND anyone to hell. You have to volunteer to go. It's all about Free Will. You can choose God or you can turn away. Your choice.

This is getting too long so I'll stop. Glad to engage in conversation with anyone open-minded enough to at least try to understand...

You are a shallow thinker who redefines terms to suit your foolish beliefs.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

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DL
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03-16-2016, 05:16 PM #36
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DL
03-16-2016, 06:51 PM #37
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(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:34 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 07:56 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Again, is it's moral teachings the most important part of a religion?

I think you'd better ask religious people. You won't find many of those here.

If any here cannot see that the answer should be yes, then they are not worthy thinkers.

The morals given by any theology or philosophy should be the most important thing of each of those respectively.

Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

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DL

The study and debating of soteriology (salvation) has been going on for ages, with continued divided theologies and interpretations. My spiritual journey and crises, now and again, change and evolve in what seems to be a natural progression, speaking personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...ian_debate

At this point in time, I am contemplating how I may be of service and light to humanity, with or without the promise of salvation (whatever that is).

http://www.apostolicrevelation.info/2011...saved.html
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03-16-2016, 07:19 PM #38
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(03-16-2016, 06:51 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:47 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 08:34 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-15-2016, 07:56 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Again, is it's moral teachings the most important part of a religion?

I think you'd better ask religious people. You won't find many of those here.

If any here cannot see that the answer should be yes, then they are not worthy thinkers.

The morals given by any theology or philosophy should be the most important thing of each of those respectively.

Both disciplines are created to show the best rules, laws and moral that we are to live by.

Regards
DL

The study and debating of soteriology (salvation) has been going on for ages, with continued divided theologies and interpretations. My spiritual journey and crises, now and again, change and evolve in what seems to be a natural progression, speaking personally,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...ian_debate

At this point in time, I am contemplating how I may be of service and light to humanity, with or without the promise of salvation (whatever that is).

http://www.apostolicrevelation.info/2011...saved.html

I too, some time ago now, contemplated on how I might be of service in improving what I saw in humanity.

After looking at the garbage people were debating in theology and philosophy, mostly issues that led nowhere, I decided that the best way to serve was to move the conversation to the root purpose of religions, theologies and philosophies, morality.

All religions, theologies and philosophies basically try to show the best rules and laws to live life by. These are what people follow and not some imaginary guy in the sky who will hurt us if we do not do things his way.

After a bit you will see that most of what I do pertains to morals.

We can never determine if there is a God, unless he shows his absentee face, so why waste time on that when it is the morality being sold that is important.

Thoughts?

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DL
03-16-2016, 09:24 PM #39
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Yes, my thoughts are that you clearly have not seen the light since you're so stuck on religion.
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03-16-2016, 09:45 PM #40
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(03-16-2016, 09:24 PM)Octo Wrote:  Yes, my thoughts are that you clearly have not seen the light since you're so stuck on religion.

Can you think of any other corporate entities that do so much damage to society?

Can you think of any greater evil for us to fight against?

For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.

Regards
DL
03-16-2016, 09:55 PM #41
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Quote:Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population, whereas people without a religion comprise anywhere from 10% to 22% of the world's population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

So, it appears most of the world's population embraces some sort of religion. Can't they find the light through humanist, spiritual and social activities via religion?
03-16-2016, 09:57 PM #42
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"Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population, whereas people without a religion comprise anywhere from 10% to 22% of the world's population."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

So, it appears most of the world's population embraces some sort of religion. Can't they find the light through humanist, spiritual and social activities via religion (or spirituality within a religious framework), like Mother Theresa, who had lost her religion (or questioned it) per her personal diary? What I mean is - if confusion reigns in this area can some good be achieved, which may help on the road to enlightenment?
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03-16-2016, 10:44 PM #43
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(03-16-2016, 09:55 PM)US nli Wrote:  
Quote:Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population, whereas people without a religion comprise anywhere from 10% to 22% of the world's population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

So, it appears most of the world's population embraces some sort of religion. Can't they find the light through humanist, spiritual and social activities via religion?

True that most claim to be in a religion but the stats are misleading.

In Finland for instance, something like 95% of Fins claim to be Christian yet only about 4% of all Fins ever set foot in a church even once a year.

Seems to me that if they were mostly believers, they would visit their God more often.

They estimate that the tipping point to a majority of non-affiliated people will be in 2050. The sooner the better IMO as I see religions as only being good at producing immoral homophobic and misogynous people.

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DL
03-16-2016, 11:02 PM #44
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Finns, please.

Finland has a state religion and you're a member of the church by default if your parents are. That will certainly provide some funky statistics. True that most Finns don't go to church, but that's not the place to be with god either if you ask most of us.
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03-16-2016, 11:19 PM #45
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(03-16-2016, 11:02 PM)Octo Wrote:  Finns, please.

Finland has a state religion and you're a member of the church by default if your parents are. That will certainly provide some funky statistics. True that most Finns don't go to church, but that's not the place to be with god either if you ask most of us.

That spelling is the French spelling mon ami.
LOL.
I can screw up languages by speech or writing in three different ones.

I agree that religion and spiritually are not necessarily aligned.

I just chose the Finns as a good example.

There are other countries that cannot even produce enough priests to replace those who retire.

Look at the U.S. real estate market and you will see how fast the transition to non-affiliation is going.

As people get more educated, the need for imaginary Gods will wane.

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DL



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