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It's getting colder because it's getting warmer
02-01-2018, 11:53 PM #16
Kreeper Griobhtha
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http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-n...B2s1c.dpbs

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-02-2018, 12:41 AM #17
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-01-2018, 11:53 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/01/150-n...B2s1c.dpbs

From the comments at the bottom:

Quote:Kenneth Richard 5. January 2018 at 12:38 AM | Permalink

The warming is not global, but regional. Some regions are cooling, some are warming, but overall there is nothing unusual about modern climate relative to the Holocene context. That’s why it’s “NON-global warming” instead of global non-warming…because the latter would imply it is not warming anywhere on the globe…and that’s not true either.
02-02-2018, 12:43 AM #18
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-02-2018, 12:08 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(02-01-2018, 08:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  The why.

Quote:Multiple lines of independent evidence confirm that human activities are the primary cause of the global warming of the past 50 years. The burning of coal, oil, and gas, and clearing of forests have increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by more than 40% since the industrial revolution, and methane and nitrous oxide emissions from agriculture and other human activities add to the atmospheric burden of heat-trapping gases.

Because human-induced warming is superimposed on a background of natural variations in climate, change is not uniform over time: short-term fluctuations in the long-term upward trend are natural and expected. Nonetheless, global temperatures are still on the rise and are expected to rise further. Climate change will accelerate significantly if global emissions of heat-trapping gases continue to increase.

https://www.globalchange.gov/climate-cha...pening-why

A) the temperature data that's been collected has been corrupted by increasingly putting the measuring devices closer to the sources of hot air.

B) the East Anglia scandal was of such gigantic proportions that the data simply can't be trusted.

C) There have been times in the world's history where the temperatures were significantly warmer than they are now BEFORE the world became so industrialized.

The biggest environmental problem is worldwide deforestation which is a problem that is often due to oppressive governing. The people become so poor that they strip the land. The 'fix' in those cases is to change the government, not to make rules that further oppress the people who are sometimes starving.

sad2.gif state of affairs, I must say, in whatever is causing climate change or non-global warming.
02-02-2018, 01:03 AM #19
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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And then I keep reading research on how wildlife is affected by this alleged warming.

Quote:Although capable of swimming long distances, polar bears burn far more energy doing so than walking, a recent study published in Polar Biology found.

“As the sea ice melts earlier and earlier, polar bears are forced to swim more and more, to reach seal populations,” said author Blaine Griffen, a biologist at BYU in a release. One female bear Griffen studied swam 426 miles over nine days. She lost 22 percent of her body weight and, worse, lost the nursing cub that had started the journey with her.

More swimming could lead to smaller bears, reduced reproduction rates, and even increased risk of death—something already being seen in western Hudson Bay and around the southern Beaufort Sea, Griffen said.

There’s no doubt that as the sea ice declines more and more bears are going to starve to death, said Amstrup. “I don’t know if that poor bear in that video was starving. I do know that the only solution for the long-term survival of the polar bear is to address climate change.”

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018...81021375=1
02-02-2018, 11:25 AM #20
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-02-2018, 01:30 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(02-02-2018, 01:03 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  And then I keep reading research on how wildlife is affected by this alleged warming.

Quote:Although capable of swimming long distances, polar bears burn far more energy doing so than walking, a recent study published in Polar Biology found.

“As the sea ice melts earlier and earlier, polar bears are forced to swim more and more, to reach seal populations,” said author Blaine Griffen, a biologist at BYU in a release. One female bear Griffen studied swam 426 miles over nine days. She lost 22 percent of her body weight and, worse, lost the nursing cub that had started the journey with her.

More swimming could lead to smaller bears, reduced reproduction rates, and even increased risk of death—something already being seen in western Hudson Bay and around the southern Beaufort Sea, Griffen said.

There’s no doubt that as the sea ice declines more and more bears are going to starve to death, said Amstrup. “I don’t know if that poor bear in that video was starving. I do know that the only solution for the long-term survival of the polar bear is to address climate change.”

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018...81021375=1

Polar bears have been swimming several hundred miles since they first appeared on earth. Losing cubs is something that also happens on a regular basis. The populations of predators and prey can change by a factor of 10. It happens quite a bit.

I am deeply concerned about Fuku and do believe there is overfishing with gigantic floating ocean raping ships as well. Fuku is serious enough to cause unfathomable harm to a huge portion of the earth. We'll never be told just how much harm Fuku has done because Obama's admin either stopped recording the radiation levels and/or hid it.

Please post your polar bear research source so that I may look over the methodology and decide for myself.
02-02-2018, 02:44 PM #21
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(02-02-2018, 12:43 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  sad2.gif state of affairs, I must say, in whatever is causing climate change or non-global warming.

I don't think there is anything to worry about. historically it's cyclic.

Un Strigoi printre noi
02-02-2018, 07:31 PM #22
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(02-02-2018, 07:00 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(02-02-2018, 11:25 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(02-02-2018, 01:30 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(02-02-2018, 01:03 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  And then I keep reading research on how wildlife is affected by this alleged warming.

Quote:Although capable of swimming long distances, polar bears burn far more energy doing so than walking, a recent study published in Polar Biology found.

“As the sea ice melts earlier and earlier, polar bears are forced to swim more and more, to reach seal populations,” said author Blaine Griffen, a biologist at BYU in a release. One female bear Griffen studied swam 426 miles over nine days. She lost 22 percent of her body weight and, worse, lost the nursing cub that had started the journey with her.

More swimming could lead to smaller bears, reduced reproduction rates, and even increased risk of death—something already being seen in western Hudson Bay and around the southern Beaufort Sea, Griffen said.

There’s no doubt that as the sea ice declines more and more bears are going to starve to death, said Amstrup. “I don’t know if that poor bear in that video was starving. I do know that the only solution for the long-term survival of the polar bear is to address climate change.”

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018...81021375=1

Polar bears have been swimming several hundred miles since they first appeared on earth. Losing cubs is something that also happens on a regular basis. The populations of predators and prey can change by a factor of 10. It happens quite a bit.

I am deeply concerned about Fuku and do believe there is overfishing with gigantic floating ocean raping ships as well. Fuku is serious enough to cause unfathomable harm to a huge portion of the earth. We'll never be told just how much harm Fuku has done because Obama's admin either stopped recording the radiation levels and/or hid it.

Please post your polar bear research source so that I may look over the methodology and decide for myself.

There is no methodology for tracking polar bears over tens or hundreds of thousands of square miles in the most extreme of climate areas. Anyone who claims they have such a methodology has more hubris than the average bear.

They sold you a story of one bear with a drowned cub. That's not methodology. - that's a technique successfully used and made famous by Readers' Digest Magazine to capture your imagination. It worked. Stories are the most effective persuasive tool used by marketers as well. For example, a great story can sell seven times the amount of product as a sales letter that doesn't have a story...it's that effective.

We see an underfed bear and her cub and it fills our imagination. I don't doubt that bears are being effected by those huge fish raping ships. They wipe out fish populations which starves the seals of their food source. which in turn hurts polar bears. That's not global warming.

Global warming is a money making scam for the likes of Al Gore who has made over $250 million dollars selling carbon credits. So he fills his pockets while he flies in a fuel guzzling private jet and burns fossil fuel at his home at a rate that is 23 times higher than the average family. Meanwhile, the ships continue to strip the ecology bare to the word's detriment.

Some bears are starving, but not Al Gore.

The source I posted above is considered new science and from the USGS, so their methodology in my opinion outweighs any hypothesis you can come up with because you offer no scientific studies.
02-02-2018, 11:01 PM #23
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(02-02-2018, 08:28 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  Just looked at the supposed 'science'. Nine bears were tracked for 10 days.

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02-03-2018, 03:02 PM #24
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-02-2018, 08:28 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  Just looked at the supposed 'science'. Nine bears were tracked for 10 days.

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Hillary had larger crowds. Sure they were bussed in but still.

It's believed there are 20,000 to 30,000 polar bears but more than half of their habitat has little or no data. IOW, the population estimate is made up.

Considering these polar bears are endangered, nine bears would seem to me to be an adequate number for a regional study.

Another opinion:

“It’s a really strong study,” said Steven Amstrup, chief scientist for Polar Bears International, a conservation-focused organization, who was not involved with the work. “It shows that polar bears are more like the big cats—lions and tigers— predatory carnivores with high energy metabolisms,” Amstrup said.

Status by country

International: Vulnerable
Canada: Special Concern
Greenland / Denmark: Vulnerable
Norway: Vulnerable
Russia: Indeterminate, Rare, or Recovering, depending on population
United States: Threatened

In the future -

By 2040, scientists predict that only a thin edge of ice will remain in Northeast Canada and Northern Greenland when all other large areas of summer ice are gone. This "Last Ice Area" is likely to become important for polar bears and other life that depends on ice.
A projection of sea ice in the archipelago, supported by WWF, shows that much of the region is facing significant ice loss in the coming decades - with potentially serious consequences for polar bears.
Global polar bear numbers are projected to decline by 30% by 2050.


http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we...opulation/



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