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Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
12-20-2013, 12:48 AM #16
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 12:45 AM)Softy Wrote:  the plans didn't change,,,they got canceled because of ACA,,,

Obamacare,,,because plans don't meet requirements of you paying

to insure crack mommie,,,who voted for Obama,,,that is the deal...

Hi CuckooKill,

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Wow!!!,,,just wow,,,he got way too much koolaid...

(:X

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Its 1 of 2 things either he is shillin or he believes what the .gov says either way that shits laughable chuckle.gif
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12-20-2013, 12:49 AM #17
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-20-2013, 12:37 AM)Softy Wrote:  Wow,,,that is a crock o crap you just peddled there,,,

I understand that,,,maybe you are shill...

(:X

...and yet another who has a reasoning comprehension problem.

Maybe I can explain it again more simply.

If you have plan you like and they say you can keep THAT plan... then THAT plan is changed ...then it is no long THE SAME PLAN THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THEY COULD KEEP!! ...but most people are completely unaware of changes made to their plans ...they send you a booklet of those changes but who really reads that anyways. It was a misrepresentation and deceptive... yes, but was it a flat out lie? ...even fact check ruled it "half true".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...aw-those-/

...and if you have trouble understanding why they made changes in the required coverage to remove the gender disparity cost, then I can't help you there. That of course requires the ability to think and reason...
12-20-2013, 12:52 AM #18
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 12:49 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 12:37 AM)Softy Wrote:  Wow,,,that is a crock o crap you just peddled there,,,

I understand that,,,maybe you are shill...

(:X

...and yet another who has a reasoning comprehension problem.

Maybe I can explain it again more simply.

If you have plan you like and they say you can keep THAT plan... then THAT plan is changed ...then it is no long THE SAME PLAN THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THEY COULD KEEP!! ...but most people are completely unaware of changes made to their plans ...they send you a booklet of those changes but who really reads that anyways. It was a misrepresentation and deceptive... yes, but was it a flat out lie? ...even fact check ruled it "half true".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...aw-those-/

...and if you have trouble understanding why they made changes in the required coverage to remove the gender disparity cost, then I can't help you there. That of course requires the ability to think and reason...

You're funny but you try so hard its kinda cute but funny very funny chuckle.gif
12-20-2013, 01:02 AM #19
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Maybe he is trying out for one of those spin doctor jobs,,,

if you like you spin doctor,,,you can keep your spin doctor!!!,,,

I have read several of the cancel letters,,,the letters say ACA,,,

others rates went up due to ACA,,,says right there in the

Florida Blue letter...

and David Kennedy said no software protection...

(:X
12-20-2013, 01:13 AM #20
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 01:02 AM)Softy Wrote:  Maybe he is trying out for one of those spin doctor jobs,,,

if you like you spin doctor,,,you can keep your spin doctor!!!,,,

I have read several of the cancel letters,,,the letters say ACA,,,

others rates went up due to ACA,,,says right there in the

Florida Blue letter...

and David Kennedy said no software protection...

(:X

It comes down to propaganda vs common sense. Some people believe all the propaganda and some people have common sense.

I doubt he is an actual shill seeing as how KB is not exactly a huge site plus most of the people here aren't even American 13.gif

Nobody else here is signing up for Obamacare so its a waste of time to try and convince anyone that Obamacare is really working or good at all
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12-20-2013, 01:19 AM #21
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-20-2013, 12:45 AM)Softy Wrote:  the plans didn't change,,,they got canceled because of ACA,,,

Obamacare,,,because plans don't meet requirements of you paying

to insure crack mommie,,,who voted for Obama,,,that is the deal...

Hi CuckooKill,

wave.gif

Wow!!!,,,just wow,,,he got way too much koolaid...

(:X

Wrong!

They were allowed to keep non-compliant plans as long as those plans didn't change. Either they DID CHANGE since the grandfather status was enacted or the insurance companies decided to cancel them anyways... ACA is not to blame if companies chose to cancel qualified grandfathered plans.


...and again. Too many details for the common sheeple mind to comprehend so I understand in advance your inability to process the truth.
12-20-2013, 01:22 AM #22
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
While “user experience” may have been improved, security expert David Kennedy insists there has been no improvement to data security, and the rapid pace of the fixes may have even made matters worse.

“It doesn’t appear that any security fixes were done at all,” Kennedy said. “They said they implemented over 400 bug fixes. When you recode the application to fix these 400 bugs—they were rushing this out of the door to get the site at least so it can work a little bit—you’re introducing more security flaws as you go along with it because you don’t even check that code.”

Kennedy, CEO of the security consultancy TrustedSec, testified before congress recently about the security lapses he found after conducting a fairly routine, low-intensity penetration test of the government run website, saying that the developers took little to no care in producing a secure portal.

“I’m a little bit more skeptical now, and I would still definitely advise individuals to not use the website because it’s definitely something that I don’t believe is secure and neither did the four individuals that testified in front of Congress,” Kennedy continued.

http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-securit...-security/

(:X
12-20-2013, 01:25 AM #23
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:31,393 Threads:1,439 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-20-2013, 12:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Doubtful... with the website up and rolling smoothly and with people now signing up in droves... unless there are new yet unforeseen disasters coming?(I think they delayed the employer mandate for another year?) We are going to see many many people happy with their new plans including those who were canceled and forced to find new insurance on the marketplace ...that is of course if the back end is tied properly to the HMOs by Jan 1st. Something I am sure they have been working vigorously on secretly since the roll out... guess we shall see when people use their news plans in the beginning of the year.

If no new major hiccups then I don't think many will care anymore that Obama misrepresented that they could keep their plans... as they will by then have new better cheaper plans. We may actually see the GOP lose the house... especially after that bullshit they pulled with shutdown. People aren't going to forget that and they will see it as a childish futile act ...unless Obamacare somehow fails between now and the midterm elections. ...and don't forget the millions of poor voters in red states that would now have insurance if those states didn't opt out of 100% federally funded medicaid expansion ...basically those republican states just shït on a huge number of low income families. That isn't going to gain them any votes in the midterms either...

As of December 11, 2013 - the latest info I could get on the subject - there were 364,682 actually signed up per money.cnn.com
There are 317,268,700 people in the US per census.gov at the time of me writing this.
If you do the math...
We have a 0.12% enrollment so far. Is that what a drove is? dunno.gif Seriously, if you can find better stats, give me a link.

wonder.gif
12-20-2013, 01:26 AM #24
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 01:19 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 12:45 AM)Softy Wrote:  the plans didn't change,,,they got canceled because of ACA,,,

Obamacare,,,because plans don't meet requirements of you paying

to insure crack mommie,,,who voted for Obama,,,that is the deal...

Hi CuckooKill,

wave.gif

Wow!!!,,,just wow,,,he got way too much koolaid...

(:X

Wrong!

They were allowed to keep non-compliant plans as long as those plans didn't change. Either they DID CHANGE since the grandfather status was enacted or the insurance companies decided to cancel them anyways... ACA is not to blame if companies chose to cancel qualified grandfathered plans.


...and again. Too many details for the common sheeple mind to comprehend so I understand in advance your inability to process the truth.

So if Bamacare didnt exist they would've had those plans cancelled??????
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12-20-2013, 01:27 AM #25
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-20-2013, 01:02 AM)Softy Wrote:  Maybe he is trying out for one of those spin doctor jobs,,,

if you like you spin doctor,,,you can keep your spin doctor!!!,,,

I have read several of the cancel letters,,,the letters say ACA,,,

others rates went up due to ACA,,,says right there in the

Florida Blue letter...

and David Kennedy said no software protection...

(:X

Rates quoted OUTSIDE OF THE EXCHANGE MARKETPLACE!!!

...we went through this before on this forum within many many threads. NOT ONE single legitimate(not made up bullshit story) case of people's insurance companies jacking up their rates was a quote THROUGH THE EXCHANGE. They simply sent out letters of rate increase based on the added ACA required comprehensive coverage using old pricing models ...hoping to scam people into paying more without GOING THROUGH THE EXCHANGE.

How many times do I have to explain this to you bubble heads?
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM #26
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 01:25 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 12:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Doubtful... with the website up and rolling smoothly and with people now signing up in droves... unless there are new yet unforeseen disasters coming?(I think they delayed the employer mandate for another year?) We are going to see many many people happy with their new plans including those who were canceled and forced to find new insurance on the marketplace ...that is of course if the back end is tied properly to the HMOs by Jan 1st. Something I am sure they have been working vigorously on secretly since the roll out... guess we shall see when people use their news plans in the beginning of the year.

If no new major hiccups then I don't think many will care anymore that Obama misrepresented that they could keep their plans... as they will by then have new better cheaper plans. We may actually see the GOP lose the house... especially after that bullshit they pulled with shutdown. People aren't going to forget that and they will see it as a childish futile act ...unless Obamacare somehow fails between now and the midterm elections. ...and don't forget the millions of poor voters in red states that would now have insurance if those states didn't opt out of 100% federally funded medicaid expansion ...basically those republican states just shït on a huge number of low income families. That isn't going to gain them any votes in the midterms either...

As of December 11, 2013 - the latest info I could get on the subject - there were 364,682 actually signed up per money.cnn.com
There are 317,268,700 people in the US per census.gov at the time of me writing this.
If you do the math...
We have a 0.0012% enrollment so far. Is that what a drove is? dunno.gif Seriously, if you can find better stats, give me a link.

Droves

İmage
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12-20-2013, 01:32 AM #27
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-20-2013, 01:25 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 12:39 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Doubtful... with the website up and rolling smoothly and with people now signing up in droves... unless there are new yet unforeseen disasters coming?(I think they delayed the employer mandate for another year?) We are going to see many many people happy with their new plans including those who were canceled and forced to find new insurance on the marketplace ...that is of course if the back end is tied properly to the HMOs by Jan 1st. Something I am sure they have been working vigorously on secretly since the roll out... guess we shall see when people use their news plans in the beginning of the year.

If no new major hiccups then I don't think many will care anymore that Obama misrepresented that they could keep their plans... as they will by then have new better cheaper plans. We may actually see the GOP lose the house... especially after that bullshit they pulled with shutdown. People aren't going to forget that and they will see it as a childish futile act ...unless Obamacare somehow fails between now and the midterm elections. ...and don't forget the millions of poor voters in red states that would now have insurance if those states didn't opt out of 100% federally funded medicaid expansion ...basically those republican states just shït on a huge number of low income families. That isn't going to gain them any votes in the midterms either...

As of December 11, 2013 - the latest info I could get on the subject - there were 364,682 actually signed up per money.cnn.com
There are 317,268,700 people in the US per census.gov at the time of me writing this.
If you do the math...
We have a 0.0012% enrollment so far. Is that what a drove is? dunno.gif Seriously, if you can find better stats, give me a link.

Just the other day they were saying on CNN that 60,000 had signed up the day before... (if I heard correctly)
12-20-2013, 01:32 AM #28
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 01:27 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 01:02 AM)Softy Wrote:  Maybe he is trying out for one of those spin doctor jobs,,,

if you like you spin doctor,,,you can keep your spin doctor!!!,,,

I have read several of the cancel letters,,,the letters say ACA,,,

others rates went up due to ACA,,,says right there in the

Florida Blue letter...

and David Kennedy said no software protection...

(:X

Rates quoted OUTSIDE OF THE EXCHANGE MARKETPLACE!!!

...we went through this before on this forum within many many threads. NOT ONE single legitimate(not made up bullshit story) case of people's insurance companies jacking up their rates was a quote THROUGH THE EXCHANGE. They simply sent out letters of rate increase based on the added ACA required comprehensive coverage using old pricing models ...hoping to scam people into paying more without GOING THROUGH THE EXCHANGE.

How many times do I have to explain this to you bubble heads?

Droves of times
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12-20-2013, 01:37 AM #29
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
You also need to subtract the number of low income people in red states that don't qualify for medicaid expansion and then there is the number of people who indeed DO GET TO KEEP THEIR PLAN ...and you are also completely ignoring the fact many many people get their insurance through their employers... none of which has changed yet except where some employers have chosen to cancel in advance of the employer mandate.

Really Jay... try to be at least somewhat fair when doing the math.

I expect more from you then these GOP bubble heads.
12-20-2013, 01:41 AM #30
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-20-2013, 01:37 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  You also need to subtract the number of low income people in red states that don't qualify for medicaid expansion and then there is the number of people who indeed DO GET TO KEEP THEIR PLAN ...and you are also completely ignoring the fact many many people get their insurance through their employers... none of which has changed yet except where some employers have chosen to cancel in advance of the employer mandate.

Really Jay... try to be at least somewhat fair when doing the math.

I expect more from you then these GOP bubble heads.

Are you calling non-americans GOP bubble heads because they aren't blind?? chuckle.gif



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