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Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'
12-20-2013, 07:37 AM #61
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi AK,

Ok,,,look,,,just because it happened under the Bush regime,,,

it still could have been the Dem congress that did it,,,not going to

figure that one out,,,doesn't matter,,,and whatever reasons,,,justified

or not for giving them the work then vs now,,,doing it then does not

justify doing it now,,,anymore than Haliburton getting it now would,,,

so no matter how the words get parsed out,,,or how the campfire

gets danced around,,,the fact remains that a very large government contract

was given to a Canadian company,,,without the bidding process being

followed,,,the fact is there are a lot more capable companies that

could have done this work,,,and made it work,,,that exist now,,,

in the US,,,now maybe there are more buddies in that nest than we

are being told about,,,I don't know,,,but what happened was not right,,,

and can not be justified,,,especially since the software is a mess,,,

no matter what you think,,,and this company's performance in the past

has been shakey to say the least,,,if you wish to check that go ahead,,,

it is true,,,and for this very large amount of money,,,there is no small

disadvantaged business set aside,,,or any of that crap,,,plus the

company is Canadian and not US,,,no offense to the Canadians,,,

can't blame them for taking the money,,,that is what all businesses do,,,

but at the same time can't tell me this doesn't smell,,,the mistake they

made in pulling this off is they can't write decent software,,,and brought

attention to all the facts...

(:X
12-20-2013, 07:47 AM #62
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Oh,,,and I read that one comment about the .gov not being good

at picking technology companies,,,if they are that stupid,,,

then they should GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS,,,they can hire

all sorts of experts to help them with their picking,,,because they

should,,,because I can promise you,,,they don't know what they

are doing,,,that fact is way to obvious,,,and they aren't that smart

about any of this...

(:X
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12-20-2013, 08:20 AM #63
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-20-2013, 07:37 AM)Softy Wrote:  Hi AK,

Ok,,,look,,,just because it happened under the Bush regime,,,

it still could have been the Dem congress that did it,,,not going to

figure that one out,,,doesn't matter,,,and whatever reasons,,,justified

or not for giving them the work then vs now,,,doing it then does not

justify doing it now,,,anymore than Haliburton getting it now would,,,

so no matter how the words get parsed out,,,or how the campfire

gets danced around,,,the fact remains that a very large government contract

was given to a Canadian company,,,without the bidding process being

followed,,,the fact is there are a lot more capable companies that

could have done this work,,,and made it work,,,that exist now,,,

in the US,,,now maybe there are more buddies in that nest than we

are being told about,,,I don't know,,,but what happened was not right,,,

and can not be justified,,,especially since the software is a mess,,,

no matter what you think,,,and this company's performance in the past

has been shakey to say the least,,,if you wish to check that go ahead,,,

it is true,,,and for this very large amount of money,,,there is no small

disadvantaged business set aside,,,or any of that crap,,,plus the

company is Canadian and not US,,,no offense to the Canadians,,,

can't blame them for taking the money,,,that is what all businesses do,,,

but at the same time can't tell me this doesn't smell,,,the mistake they

made in pulling this off is they can't write decent software,,,and brought

attention to all the facts...

(:X

It just dawned on me that they may have picked a Canadian company because of the unbiased nature of their employees... plenty enough hate of Obama(care) out there that they may have considered the threat of internal sabotage significant... I think they learned it was big mistake to make that trade for incompetence ...and there could of been some other political motive to give Canadian that kind of monetary perk.
12-20-2013, 08:52 AM #64
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Well now,,,see you are already slipping,,,could have blamed internal

GOP sabotage for the software glitches/complete failure,,,

and yeah,,,probably some other reason for feeding a Canadian

company,,,personally think it would have been great to give it to

Haliburton,,,,and watch all the Obamabots have Flaming Cows and

Pigs flying out their butts,,,but no,,,someone/s is making a lot of

money off all this,,,believe that,,,and our health is way down on the

list of things to accomplish...

(:X
12-20-2013, 09:20 AM #65
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
And of course we already have a single payer healthcare system

in place in the US,,,it is the .gov paid for Veterans Administration

healthcare,,,for our Military,,,so there is the prime example of where

we will be with single payer system,,,and it has been in place for along

time,,,so we can see the results,,,and the cost,,,now the game each

year is to cut the costs,,,however that is accomplished,,,so the money

can be used by the .gov to buy votes,,,of course this doesn't work out

as the costs continue to climb,,,getting a large group of solders blown

up by having them drive around in HumVees till something goes off doesn't

help the costs of course but I digress,,,still the doctors and nurses don't

care all that much,,,as they get paid salaries and such and don't have the

motivation to excel,,,the Vets I know try to avoid the VA hospitals as much

as possible,,,and have to drive 50 miles to the El Paso hospital,,,which

gave a bunch of them Hep C,,,by accident,,,but whatever,,,most try to go

with something private if possible,,,still a few don't have the jobs or the money

for anything different,,,so,,,they don't get sick,,,and that will of course be the

final solution with this as well,,,worked with a bunch of Russian PHD guys

brought into the US after the fall of the Russian economy to keep them from

going to work for our enemies,,,they were smart,,,one of them described the

healthcare system there,,,in our town,,,we had one doctor,,,everybody hated

him,,,and he hated everybody,,,he would see you for five minutes,,,give you

pills,,,maybe you lived,,,maybe you didn't,,,no one cared,,,so this is what

I envision with our new five star doctor rating system,,,one of the ratings being

how many patients are seen,,,the state of Conn. got rid of 2500 doctors from

the one insurer because of this rating system,,,and so it begins...

(:X
12-20-2013, 09:30 AM #66
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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Cuz Bush so there bleh.gif
12-20-2013, 05:46 PM #67
j browsing Member
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http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEntry?id=21286059 the source is abc news

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12-20-2013, 06:28 PM #68
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Quote:The Obamacare ‘Shotgun Wedding’—Marry or Lose Your Home

The Fiscal Times By Edward Morrissey Dec 19, 2013 4:15 AM

The problem with solutions is that few of them tend to be perfect, even if they act in a mostly benign manner. Actions produce reactions, a principle as true in politics as it is in physics, and those tend to multiply when solutions increase in complexity.

The nature of these unintended consequences changes dramatically when complex “solutions” turn out to be poorly designed and incompetently administered.

Related: Obamacare Aftermath: Fewer Doctors, Higher Costs

The rollout of the Affordable Care Act has provided many real-world examples of this, but perhaps none so “unintended” as the consequences discovered by the Seattle Times this weekend.  Carol Ostrom, The Times’ health reporter, told the story of 62-year-old newlyweds Sofia Prins and Gary Balhorn, who weren’t exactly the models of wild, starry-eyed romantics.

Their nuptials were motivated by a stronger desire to keep their house out of the hands of the federal government, thanks to a little-known key provision of Obamacare. Their meager incomes made them eligible for a federally subsidized health plan, and their assets would be protected.

Does Obamacare actually allow the federal government to seize homes and other assets? Before answering that question, let’s go back to what supposedly motivated the Obama [...]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-...ntentstory

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12-21-2013, 01:10 AM #69
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Yeah,,,should have just dealt with the 15 percent uninsured,,,

it would have been so simple,,,oh well,,,guess we will see,,,

and Aetna insurance says they will only sell fully Obamacare

compliant policies,,,so will not reopen cancelled plans,,,

getting interesting...

(:X
12-21-2013, 01:29 AM #70
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
DECEMBER 11, 2013 AT 9:04 AM

Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange.

But Oregon is a Democratic state that embraced Obamacare early and enthusiastically. Its outreach effort, which included a folk-style music video featuring a singer playing an acoustic guitar against a colorful and scenic backdrop, had been praised among the law's supporters.

And the more than $300 million in federal grant money the state received to build and promote its exchange topped all but two other states - the much more populous New York and California.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/oregon-sig...le/2540529

Obamacare software crashed today at noon,,,

as the desperate people try to sign up...

(:X
12-21-2013, 11:09 AM #71
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Posts:1,882 Threads:148 Joined:Apr 2013
(12-20-2013, 12:49 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 12:37 AM)Softy Wrote:  Wow,,,that is a crock o crap you just peddled there,,,

I understand that,,,maybe you are shill...

(:X

...and yet another who has a reasoning comprehension problem.

Maybe I can explain it again more simply.

If you have plan you like and they say you can keep THAT plan... then THAT plan is changed ...then it is no long THE SAME PLAN THAT THEY WERE PROMISED THEY COULD KEEP!! ...but most people are completely unaware of changes made to their plans ...they send you a booklet of those changes but who really reads that anyways. It was a misrepresentation and deceptive... yes, but was it a flat out lie? ...even fact check ruled it "half true".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...aw-those-/

...and if you have trouble understanding why they made changes in the required coverage to remove the gender disparity cost, then I can't help you there. That of course requires the ability to think and reason...

Every plan every year changes in some way or another. So when Obama said, "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan," he knew he was lying.

Secondly he said, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was a flat out lie. He said it at least 23 times.

He said it would cost less. It costs more. More lies.

BTW, if your hours get cut back due to the ObamaTax, you need to add the cost of those lost hours to the cost.

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