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11-12-2014, 04:08 PM #1
Ruby Wolf Member
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Like it or not admit it or not lets face how for many years every day actually for many decades every morning and day and night my mother smoked and my father smoked and my brother smoked and my sister smoked and my aunts smoked and my uncles smoked and my nana smoked and my grandmother smoked and my grandfather smoked and my cousins smoked and i smoke and none of us ever received any cancers of any type whatsoever...

Like it or not admit it or not lets face how i clearly remember myself and many other people walking around inside our local big chain grocery and retail stores and restaurants and everywhere else as well while smoking cigarettes while shopping and dining while snuffing them out right on the floors of the store and nobody ever said anything negative about it like wow damn think about that and realize those happier days were not so long ago before the royal bloodline elite powers that be started inflicting their nazi spawned and greed driven fear and paranoia lies and mind control games upon you and i their robotic tax slaves whos withering freedoms are also being ruthlessly snuffed the f##k out...

Like it or not admit it or not lets face how there are massive amounts of deadly poisons that we are constantly breathing in that we are continuously absorbing through our skin that we are constantly getting sick from that we are continuously dying from the hundreds of millions of cars and trucks and airplanes driving and flying all around us constantly spewing out carbon monoxide and who knows what the hell else along with factory waste and radioactive nuclear reactors and crop dusting and microwaves and pesticide sprays and aerosols ect ect ect...

Quote: THE LIE - Most people approve and support smoking bans.

THE TRUTH - Most people who do not smoke really don't care one way or the other about the smoking issue. It is only a very small but well funded group of smoke haters who want to see these ban invoked. When these bans are ultimately passed and the true effect of them is fully realized, then people start to speak out against them. In New York a poll was taken to see how the people felt about the ban. 86% of those polled stated the ban went way too far. At this point in time there is reason to expect the New York may be rescinded in part or in full sometime in 2005.

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THE LIE - Cigarette smoke and Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) or Second Hand Smoke (SHS) Causes cancer.

THE Truth - Simply stated there is no known cause for any type of cancer. With all the testing that has been done with every type of chemical, gas, inert matter, and substances that have been altered through exposure to heat or chemical reaction, nothing has been proven to cause cancer. NOTHING! In some instances specific substances, in massive quantities, have been administered to laboratory rats. In these cases many of the animals might have developed a cancer. These sorts of tests may be considered Junk Science in that they have no relationship to a real life scenario.

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THE LIE - The desire for smoking bans is a grass roots movement.

THE TRUTH - Smoking bans have almost exclusively been started by organizations such as The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, A.S.H., the Heart, Cancer, and Lung Organizations and major pharmaceutical corporations. Over one billion dollars, from the Master Tobacco Settlement has funded the activities of many of these organizations for the past 5 years. Promoting smoking bans is big business for these organizations, especially the drug companies who are reaping huge profits on their almost worthless smoking cessation products.

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THE LIE - Smoking statistics do not lie.

THE TRUTH - In this World there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Never has an argument been won based on statistic alone. They can serve only as a point of departure. In a free and open society people must be allowed to operate as free agents without the fetters of the doomsayers. Life is a risk, but it is that risk which gives it zest. When we allow ourselves to sacrifice our freedoms for the sake of safety, we deserve neither safety nor freedom. Accepting statistics at face value will lead us down that garden path. There are many statistics that can be cited that make the danger of smoking seem mild by comparison.

11-12-2014, 04:37 PM #2
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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My father smoked three packs of ciggies a day for 50 years and my mom only one a day for 65 years and neither developed cancer of any type. She actually apologized to me a few years ago for smoking around us kids, esp. in the car with the windows closed, when I had asthma, but she backed the apology up by saying they just didn't know the hazards of second-hand smoke.
11-12-2014, 05:03 PM #3
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Richard Overton, America's oldest living veteran, participated in the Veterans Day parade in Austin, Texas, on Tuesday, posing for selfies from the passenger seat of a slow-moving car along the parade route.

Chances are, the 108-year-old World War II veteran began the day like any other: on the porch, smoking a cigar, sipping a cup of coffee stiffened with whiskey.

http://news.yahoo.com/americas-oldest-li...33103.html
11-12-2014, 05:12 PM #4
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Quote:For many First Nations people, tobacco has been used traditionally in ceremonies, rituals, and prayer for thousands of years. It is used for a variety of medicinal purposes and its ceremonial use has powerful spiritual meaning establishing a direct communication link between the person giving and the spiritual world receiving. In the traditional sense, the most powerful way of communicating with the spirits is to smoke tobacco in a sacred pipe.

While tobacco is sacred, the recreational use of tobacco with its high content of nicotine, is addictive and harmful. First Nations Elders maintain that this type of use is disrespectful of the spiritual, medicinal, and traditional use of tobacco.

The recreational use (or misuse) of tobacco is any use of tobacco in a non-traditional way. For example, smoking cigarettes, chewing tobacco or snuff, smoking non-traditional tobacco in non-sacred pipes or smoking cigars. There is an important distinction between the traditional and non-traditional use of tobacco as one is respectful of First Nations customs, the other being dangerous and harmful.

Traditional tobacco has been used by many First Nations people to:

Pray;
Give thanks to the Creator and Mother Earth;
Communicate with the spirits; and
Purify the mind and heal the body.
11-12-2014, 05:58 PM #5
Ruby Wolf Member
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11-12-2014, 06:20 PM #6
misterbumps Member
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Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
11-12-2014, 07:12 PM #7
Ruby Wolf Member
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11-12-2014, 07:27 PM #8
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(11-12-2014, 06:20 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

Very interesting. I've noticed there's a campaign to demonize those as well. Seems pretty absurd. Second hand smoke and inhaling exhaled vapor are two completely different issues.

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11-12-2014, 08:14 PM #9
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporizes propylene glycol (PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.
11-12-2014, 09:06 PM #10
j browsing Member
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smoking..I can take it or leave it..same with alcoholsmoking.gifchuckle.gifbeercheer.gif

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
11-12-2014, 11:05 PM #11
misterbumps Member
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(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine down to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
11-12-2014, 11:19 PM #12
misterbumps Member
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(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
11-12-2014, 11:37 PM #13
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(11-12-2014, 11:19 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I don't take offence when someone, such as yourself, has reasonable arguments backed up by other research as in this controversial issue.

Personally, I quit in 2000 with the aid of Zyban (taken for 3 months). I wanted to cease ingesting nicotine altogether and thankfully it worked. The thought of inhaling a controversial vapour (from China "WARNING BELLS") with nicotine would be enough for me to say no thanks.
11-12-2014, 11:44 PM #14
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Read your shampoo label, it's probably in there, and ditto for toothpaste. Propylene glycol is a colourless organic liquid, it's been in products for over 50 years.
It's a lot safer than breathing diesel and petrol fumes emitted from cars in town.

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11-12-2014, 11:48 PM #15
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(11-12-2014, 11:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:19 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I don't take offence when someone, such as yourself, has reasonable arguments backed up by other research as in this controversial issue.

Personally, I quit in 2000 with the aid of Zyban (taken for 3 months). I wanted to cease ingesting nicotine altogether and thankfully it worked. The thought of inhaling a controversial vapour (from China "WARNING BELLS") with nicotine would be enough for me to say no thanks.

Zyban, yup I quit for five years after taking that for two weeks. An interesting drug, made me a bit cranky, but I didn't want anything... food, cigs, sex, it rewires you to avoid craving, but I wouldn't want to take it long term.

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