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11-13-2014, 12:17 AM #16
misterbumps Member
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(11-12-2014, 11:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:19 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I don't take offence when someone, such as yourself, has reasonable arguments backed up by other research as in this controversial issue.

Personally, I quit in 2000 with the aid of Zyban (taken for 3 months). I wanted to cease ingesting nicotine altogether and thankfully it worked. The thought of inhaling a controversial vapour (from China "WARNING BELLS") with nicotine would be enough for me to say no thanks.


(from China "WARNING BELLS")


The E-cig was invented in China but my E-Cig was made in the U.K as well as the E-liquid that I buy.

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
11-13-2014, 12:56 AM #17
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(11-13-2014, 12:17 AM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:19 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 08:14 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What is an e-cigarette? I didn't know so I went looking:

They all work the same basic way:

The user inhales through a mouthpiece.
Air flow triggers a sensor that switches on a small, battery-powered heater.
The heater vaporizes liquid nicotine in a small cartridge (it also activates a light at the "lit" end of the e-cigarette). Users can opt for a cartridge without nicotine.
The heater also vaporize sPropylene glycol(PEG) in the cartridge. PEG is the stuff of which theatrical smoke is made.
The user gets a puff of hot gas that feels a lot like tobacco smoke.
When the user exhales, there's a cloud of PEG vapor that looks like smoke. The vapor quickly dissipates.
E-cigarettes contain no tobacco products; even the nicotine is synthetic.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/f...under-fire

Just from that litle bit of info, I'd say no thanks.

I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I don't take offence when someone, such as yourself, has reasonable arguments backed up by other research as in this controversial issue.

Personally, I quit in 2000 with the aid of Zyban (taken for 3 months). I wanted to cease ingesting nicotine altogether and thankfully it worked. The thought of inhaling a controversial vapour (from China "WARNING BELLS") with nicotine would be enough for me to say no thanks.


(from China "WARNING BELLS")


The E-cig was invented in China but my E-Cig was made in the U.K as well as the E-liquid that I buy.

But don't they make the product in the same way, using the same materials, technology...etc?
11-13-2014, 01:16 AM #18
bohica Member
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I got coffee and cigarettes.
No booze, no drugs, for over thirty years.
I keep 50 vacuum-packed cans of coffee in my stash at all times, buying when on sale. I have about 1500 bleached coffee filters to go with them, and a non-electric system as backup in case of power-down.
I keep 40 lbs of tobacco and 100 cartons of tubes on hand at all times.
Both will be more valuable than PMs in the first year of a societal collapse.

There's plenty of room for all God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes!
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11-13-2014, 01:43 AM #19
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From recent news reports, it has come to our attention that smoking is a vice that "leaders" around the world are determined to stamp out. But why? The official story is that our ever benevolent governments wish to prevent "we the people" from damaging our health, and that of others (if you believe the "second hand smoke" fable. Those of a more cynical disposition claim that the truth has more to do government aims of cutting back on public health expenditure for preventable diseases like lung cancer.

Yet this explanation is relevant only for those few countries where public health care is free and is also contingent on the, as yet, missing evidence that smoking really is the number one cause of cancer, rather than the many other pollutants that we all inhale every day.

Given what we know of the contempt in which The Powers That Be hold most of humanity, and the lack of convincing evidence that even moderate smoking really is a risk to public health, we are forced to look for another reason for the increasingly world-wide witch hunt on smoking and smokers.

First of all, lets take a look at the evidence for the fact that smoking has recently become public enemy number one:

http://www.sott.net/signs/anti-anti-smoking.htm
11-13-2014, 02:01 AM #20
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Aliens Don't Like to Eat People That Smoke! lol.gif It makes sense.

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11-13-2014, 02:26 AM #21
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Governments should love smokers, they (allegedly) die earlier and don't collect pensions or cost what longevity does in terms of health care expense. I know people that did everything 'right' all their lives and died of cancer. It's a virus, an infection, no there's some other reason the gov is so against it.
11-13-2014, 02:33 AM #22
j browsing Member
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my godfather died from lung cancer..he was a painter..seems the paint fumes over the years did him in..he never smoked ..no cigs no pipe no cigars

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
11-13-2014, 03:31 AM #23
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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My sister's husband died of lung cancer seven years after he quit smoking. But funny thing is, his doctor said he got it from chemicals in 'Nam. Not tobacco. The gov also said his hearing loss wasn't from being a gunnery sgt. blink.gif and declined his application for hearing aids. The gov will lie to us from hell to breakfast.
11-13-2014, 11:51 AM #24
White Ribbon call me
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(11-12-2014, 06:20 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

im a former chain smoker, that gets the urge every now and again to but a packet, smoke a couple, wet the rest and throw them in the bin until the next time.. i think e cigs are my next option, cause it seems a lot healthier and less expensive.. so many countries have banned them though.. UAE and Thailand wont let you bring in an e cig.. very odd..
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11-13-2014, 03:27 PM #25
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(11-13-2014, 11:51 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 06:20 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

im a former chain smoker, that gets the urge every now and again to but a packet, smoke a couple, wet the rest and throw them in the bin until the next time.. i think e cigs are my next option, cause it seems a lot healthier and less expensive.. so many countries have banned them though.. UAE and Thailand wont let you bring in an e cig.. very odd..

roll your own cigs. tastes much better and there are less additives (if you buy a good brand). e cigs suck big time. i tried them a while - even different tastes - but it's just not the same. :/
11-13-2014, 03:42 PM #26
White Ribbon call me
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(11-13-2014, 03:27 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(11-13-2014, 11:51 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 06:20 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

im a former chain smoker, that gets the urge every now and again to but a packet, smoke a couple, wet the rest and throw them in the bin until the next time.. i think e cigs are my next option, cause it seems a lot healthier and less expensive.. so many countries have banned them though.. UAE and Thailand wont let you bring in an e cig.. very odd..

roll your own cigs. tastes much better and there are less additives (if you buy a good brand). e cigs suck big time. i tried them a while - even different tastes - but it's just not the same. :/

i love rollies.. much nicer than tailored ones.. i just cant smoke.. i love it so much though.. 20 years was enough.. le sigh.. cant do pot either, i just smoke it 24/7.. lol.. its too good..
11-13-2014, 03:46 PM #27
Wicked Oblivion Member
Posts:10,761 Threads:718 Joined:Oct 2012
(11-13-2014, 02:01 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Aliens Don't Like to Eat People That Smoke! lol.gif It makes sense.
Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaa "No Smoking Onboard Flying Saucers" Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaaa (*-*)

Wonder if abductees are all non smokers?! or even all smokers?! cuz aliens might be here for our earthly tobacco and marijuana and booze...

Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa (*=*)

11-13-2014, 03:53 PM #28
misterbumps Member
Posts:1,051 Threads:38 Joined:Apr 2012
(11-13-2014, 12:56 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(11-13-2014, 12:17 AM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:19 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 11:05 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  I hope you don't take offence but you need to do a lot more research. For example
you will find Propylene glycol in beer, baked goods, margarine, soda, icing, sauces, dressings, coffee and dairy products. Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals including 43 known carcinogens and 400 other toxins. Whilst nicotine is very addictive e-cigs allow the user to reduce the level of nicotine up to 0.0 percent and there are only several known carcinogens in e-cigs and all are at much lower levels. Yes - we don't know exactly how safe e-cigs are but trust me they are a hell of a lot harmless than real cigarettes and a valid alternative to those wishing to quit simply because you as the e-cig user can determine the level of nicotine. As for PEG you will be surprised to know it is in many substances that we eat and drink on a daily basis.

Also you need to question why e-cigs may be considered controversial. Companies in the U.K who make e-cigs and e-liquids such as 'Totally Wicked' adhere to health and safety laws as much as possible including using pharma grade nicotine and sourcing products from the U.K and U.S only. These new and growing companies are a direct threat to the tobacco industry. Food for thought....

I don't take offence when someone, such as yourself, has reasonable arguments backed up by other research as in this controversial issue.

Personally, I quit in 2000 with the aid of Zyban (taken for 3 months). I wanted to cease ingesting nicotine altogether and thankfully it worked. The thought of inhaling a controversial vapour (from China "WARNING BELLS") with nicotine would be enough for me to say no thanks.


(from China "WARNING BELLS")


The E-cig was invented in China but my E-Cig was made in the U.K as well as the E-liquid that I buy.

But don't they make the product in the same way, using the same materials, technology...etc?

The difference is British e-cig companies like Totally Wicked strictly adhere to health and safety regulations. Check the site out. I would never buy any e-cig products made in China. The U.S are also very good when it comes to e-cig products and health and safety.

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
11-13-2014, 04:10 PM #29
misterbumps Member
Posts:1,051 Threads:38 Joined:Apr 2012
(11-13-2014, 03:27 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(11-13-2014, 11:51 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(11-12-2014, 06:20 PM)misterbumps Wrote:  Interesting subject. I gave up cigarettes two years ago and replaced them with an electronic cigarette. (e-cig) I use a site called 'Totally Wicked' and they have the most amazing e-cigs and flavours. They are also very cheap, good quality and have constant offers that range from 5% to 45% discounts on most products. No, I don't work for them!
I found the transition from cigarettes to e-cigarettes extremely easy. It took a couple of months of trial and error to find the right e-cig but the one I currently use I have been using for at least eighteen months and it's fantastic in terms of throat hit and vapour.
Within three days of changing from cigarettes to an e-cig my chest pain cleared and my breathing improved dramatically. I was a fifty a day roll-up smoker and now I have no physical side effects from 'vaping.' All in all it has been a rather remarkable experience from improving health to saving money. I would recommend e-cigs to anyone wishing to give up. Also with e-cigs you can regulate the percentage of nicotine in the e-liquid. I started on 3% but am now down to 1.4% and hopefully within the coming months and years I can take the nicotine levels down to 0%. The website I buy from has a 0% nicotine herbal range which is what I'm eventually aiming for.

One negative is as e-cigs have only been around for ten years there have been no decent studies on them in terms of health benefits so I'm half expecting in a few years time studies will be conducted stating they are evil!! However my improved health from giving up cigarettes and moving to e-cigs is enough to convince me that I've moved in the right direction.

im a former chain smoker, that gets the urge every now and again to but a packet, smoke a couple, wet the rest and throw them in the bin until the next time.. i think e cigs are my next option, cause it seems a lot healthier and less expensive.. so many countries have banned them though.. UAE and Thailand wont let you bring in an e cig.. very odd..

roll your own cigs. tastes much better and there are less additives (if you buy a good brand). e cigs suck big time. i tried them a while - even different tastes - but it's just not the same. :/

As a heavy roll up smoker I needed to quit. I initially bought supermarket e-cigs which are rubbish in terms of effectiveness and cost. I spent a couple of months researching and trying different e-cigs from U.S and British companies until I found the right one. The one I use now is called EGo-C and is the go to device for many e-cig users. It has two voltage settings for strength, produces a solid amount of vapour and the throat hit is excellent. It does not look like a real cigarette and has no L.E.D light to mimic a cigarette but I wasn't interested in aesthetics. I was looking for something that did the job as close to the real thing as possible. I even have a pass through battery which means I can plug into a computer and charge up whilst still vaping. In ten years e-cigs have come a long way. I have friends who have tried e-cigs but struggle to give up the real ones so I guess it does not work for everyone. I just did the research and got lucky. The transition from cigarettes to e-cigs was an easy one for me. My suggestions if you want to give up cigarettes is research, research, research and then when it comes to E-liquid start on 1.8 per cent nicotine and over time decrease the level until a point when you may not need to use an e-cig any-more. That's what I've been doing and it's going well. I do understand how difficult it is to give up cigarettes. It is one of the worst addictions.

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
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11-13-2014, 04:17 PM #30
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(11-13-2014, 03:46 PM)Cosmic August Wrote:  
(11-13-2014, 02:01 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Aliens Don't Like to Eat People That Smoke! lol.gif It makes sense.
Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaa "No Smoking Onboard Flying Saucers" Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaaa (*-*)

Wonder if abductees are all non smokers?! or even all smokers?! cuz aliens might be here for our earthly tobacco and marijuana and booze...

Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa (*=*)

13.gif I came across that article years ago and never thought about that. 13.gif

(11-13-2014, 03:31 AM)Shadow Wrote:  My sister's husband died of lung cancer seven years after he quit smoking. But funny thing is, his doctor said he got it from chemicals in 'Nam. Not tobacco. The gov also said his hearing loss wasn't from being a gunnery sgt. blink.gif and declined his application for hearing aids. The gov will lie to us from hell to breakfast.

Ever notice how it was at the height of US Industrial production that smoking was encouraged? They had doctors touting the health benefits in TV ads!

Then, as outsourcing increased and globalisation became more of a trend in the 80s, the crackdown on smoking started.

Coincidence? I don't think so. agent_smith.gif

True story: Hitler was one of the first to come up with a public health/anti-smoking campaign.



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