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Money has no real value
09-20-2014, 05:18 PM #1
americanpatriot Member
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This is a subject that I've been thinking about for a while now and I just wanted to post my thoughts. Our money is only fiat, it has no real value, other than the value that we believe it has. What if one day everyone just stopped using money because they realized it has no inherent value on its own? I believe that we could have an even better form of society without money. This is one of the reasons why I want to live off the grid one day. Money controls people and confines them to rigid systems which are created by other men. Most people don't know that they actually don't have to work their whole lives. If one just lives their life simply and off the grid then one shouldn't rack up too many expenses. This is probably seen as a radical view by some people, but they are controlled anyway. I am just sick of this culture of consumerism and crony capitalism and controlled special interests. The media always wants us to buy new things but none of them brings us true happiness. The media also tries to scare us with all bad news which isn't the truth about what really goes on every day. For me to be happy all I would need is a tiny house somewhere in the woods, a place to grow some crops and a place to gather some water. All this other stuff in life is just extra. People have been conditioned to believe they need these objects when they would probably be happier without them. It just frustrates me sometimes when I envision how great of a society we could have if money didn't rule everything, yet there are still millions of people playing into the monetary system right into the bankers hands. If society is to truly advance we must eliminate this need and want for money. Things must be done out of the goodness of ones heart, not in return for some worthless paper. People would want to help others because they would be more involved in their community. Hopefully one day we can at least try this system out.
09-20-2014, 05:44 PM #2
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Good post. Although fiat serves a purpose as a store of value, it's not a very good one because it inflates and you lose purchasing power every year. The best way to live is without debt. I read recently that 1/2 of Americans can not come up with $1,000 in an emergency without going into (more) debt. That's scary.
09-20-2014, 06:24 PM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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I think the system you talk of is very possible, but only if you do it voluntarily in a community of like minded people. It can't be forced on anyone.
09-20-2014, 06:28 PM #4
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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09-20-2014, 06:38 PM #5
Octo Mother Superior
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We were just at the store and in front of us in the checkout was this family of Russians maybe or Eastern Europeans. They paid their 25 euro purchase with a hundred euro note. All bills from 50 and up are scanned to weed out fake money and this guy's money failed. He had another 100 bill that also failed, but the flustered checkout lady upon asking if he got the money from the bank gave him the change anyway. damned.gif That was surreal.
09-20-2014, 06:46 PM #6
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Latvian. They spoke Svenska, and looked Slavic. I would not have accepted it, rather I'd have called the cops actually.
It's the weekend, a lot of times there are no cops to call... and I'm not kidding - Octo was informed of that from a cop. rofl.gif

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09-20-2014, 07:50 PM #7
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(09-20-2014, 06:38 PM)Octo Wrote:  We were just at the store and in front of us in the checkout was this family of Russians maybe or Eastern Europeans. They paid their 25 euro purchase with a hundred euro note. All bills from 50 and up are scanned to weed out fake money and this guy's money failed. He had another 100 bill that also failed, but the flustered checkout lady upon asking if he got the money from the bank gave him the change anyway. damned.gif That was surreal.

lmao.gif here they'd call the police and you'd get arrested because it's a crime to pass counterfeit money (even if you didn't know it was counterfeit money/ acquired it in good faith (bona fide)).
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09-20-2014, 07:51 PM #8
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(09-20-2014, 06:46 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Latvian. They spoke Svenska, and looked Slavic. I would not have accepted it, rather I'd have called the cops actually.
It's the weekend, a lot of times there are no cops to call... and I'm not kidding - Octo was informed of that from a cop. rofl.gif

lol.gif what?
i already love finland. i think it's the best country in the world. chuckle.gif
09-20-2014, 07:56 PM #9
Octo Mother Superior
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True story, a cop told me if the people here knew how bad it was regarding cops on weekend duty they'd freak out. scream.gif
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09-20-2014, 08:01 PM #10
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(09-20-2014, 07:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  True story, a cop told me if the people here knew how bad it was regarding cops on weekend duty they'd freak out. scream.gif

i'll start a second job as burglar in finland. weekends only.^^
don't even need a visa or passport because europe. :D
09-20-2014, 08:23 PM #11
Octo Mother Superior
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lmao.gif You can sleep on our couch, but we can't store your loot.
09-21-2014, 03:20 PM #12
Ruby Wolf Member
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Money is an evil tool of control and an evil weapon of domination wielded against us by the royal bloodline elites who created it...

The native indians of the north and south american continents lived in harmony with nature for at least many thousands of years without money and without bibles and without prisons...

But then came the hell bent by greed driven paranoid at war with nature europeans and their sweeping desolations of destruction and slaughter and genocide...

Realize that the top 500 richest americans hold more wealth than the bottom 150,000,000...

Masters and slaves as friggin usual what else is new like pretty f###en cool huh...

Way too damn many stuck up rich people think their sh#t doesnt stink and i hope their arrogantly lost in materialistic denial souls are tortured and burned in hell forever...
09-25-2014, 03:29 AM #13
americanpatriot Member
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(09-21-2014, 03:20 PM)Cosmic August Wrote:  Money is an evil tool of control and an evil weapon of domination wielded against us by the royal bloodline elites who created it...

The native indians of the north and south american continents lived in harmony with nature for at least many thousands of years without money and without bibles and without prisons...

But then came the hell bent by greed driven paranoid at war with nature europeans and their sweeping desolations of destruction and slaughter and genocide...

Realize that the top 500 richest americans hold more wealth than the bottom 150,000,000...

Masters and slaves as friggin usual what else is new like pretty f###en cool huh...

Way too damn many stuck up rich people think their sh#t doesnt stink and i hope their arrogantly lost in materialistic denial souls are tortured and burned in hell forever...


Couldn't have said it better myself. I would like to join or create an off the grid community one day where money is used to the least extent as possible, and ideally one day the community would become totally self sufficient.
09-25-2014, 03:42 PM #14
SpiritMasonChazz Member
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Human control/ land /resources is the real value . Money is just a tool You perceive it a evil . Because it is out of control with tyrants running global wealth bank interest rates to keep the masses in slave debt or lose it all. If we where out of the global money scam and only had a value backed dollar of fair trade in America we would be thriving and currency would actually have real backed value for a tool of good prosperity.
Money will become more evil & corrupt if we leave the private banks in charge of the federal reserve that can skyrocket interest to enslave our resources. And make our military fight whatever war they want . This is already happening we must send our troops and smart bombs to pay the petro dollar and keep interest rates down.
09-25-2014, 04:46 PM #15
Cloud Atlas Member
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Life without money ;
I agree and it's my long time wish, but we all know it's only big fantasy to happen.
It is not very difficult to do it, what's needed is that all people have to be humble, not greedy and not competitive, those are the difficulties or impossible to change.

But, I am afraid that the real problem is not money itself. Money is just the fine tuning of evaluations of things, or the calibration. You see in the old times when money did'nt exist people used to trade things, like fish for crop, skin for food etc. Then the evil forced societies to sharpen personal interests and if a fish was valued more than an apple greed made men argue to get more of it's value. then money was invented.

If money is obsolete and humans remain with the same attitudes there will be replacement for it. Greed, egoism and gluttony create these competitions among men, those that make us unkind and selfish.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell



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