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Multiple fatalities after pedestiran bridge collapse at FL Intl University
03-16-2018, 10:20 PM #16
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Heard on the radio today tha... yes, I still listen to the radio 13.gif that the bridge collapsed during a load test. If that's true they did a load test with live people over a major road without closing said road...

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What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
03-16-2018, 11:53 PM #17
ocker1 Member
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Now is the time to ban ALL CHINESE STEEL
03-17-2018, 12:48 AM #18
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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(03-16-2018, 08:05 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  I predict , once they get the Cars free ,,,

they'll find the " Second Magic Bullet " from Deally Plaza 1963 .

they've already recovered Bin Ladin's Turbin from the Grassy Knoll .

wasn't Oswald in Fla. for a While ?

hey , this could have some ramifications for the Clintons and their Russian friends .

I don't care who you are ,,, that right there was some pretty good thinking ,, cheers.gif to myself for that one
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03-17-2018, 01:49 AM #19
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great post wrong thread,
03-17-2018, 02:15 AM #20
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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right post , right thread
wrong readers


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03-17-2018, 08:28 AM #21
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(03-16-2018, 06:04 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Whoever put that fucker up is going' down, but its Florida...
Meaning...
if they didn't get good compaction in that sandy soil prior to pouring the footers, what goes up will most certainly come down.

Sorry to contradict your thoughts for once Mr JR.
Believe it or not, I am an expert in bridges design all over the world . I have been designing bridges since 1971...
Sand is actually the best kind of soil as foundation for any kind of structure especially housing.
Providing sand is free from deleterious matter and is compacted to a minimum compaction of 7 blows to 1 foot when tested with a standard 20 pound penetrometer.
The worst possible soil to build upon is clay...
Expansion and contraction is totally opposite to that of steel and masonry ...
Thank you for listening !
03-17-2018, 08:34 AM #22
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(03-15-2018, 10:21 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  HEY !
they found a Survivor walking down a Street .

now that's how ya do it , get your damned head out of the way .

pfft .

Hello . You steal my trick.
When I go to restaurant buffet smorgasbord for eat food I ask how much cost ???
They say to me cost $29 a head or $35 a head with drinks.
I say : thank you, I say.
I want the drinks please but cost me nothing because I come without my head!!
Hahah I laugh!
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03-17-2018, 08:47 AM #23
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(03-16-2018, 11:53 PM)ocker1 Wrote:  Now is the time  to ban ALL CHINESE STEEL

You nailed Ocker!!!
That was my very first thought.
Whenever I use Chinese steel I apply a 200% safety margin simply because I am inherently skeptical of any Chinese specifications.
If American steel was not specified and the contractor sought imported steel to cut costs this could very well be the consequence.
I am also skeptical of imported cement.
It's ok for small housing projects but if used in concrete mix for large span suspended slabs ... Need to be aware and alert and carry out lots of random sample crush tests
03-17-2018, 03:53 PM #24
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(03-17-2018, 08:28 AM)Catholic Wrote:  
(03-16-2018, 06:04 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Whoever put that fucker up is going' down, but its Florida...
Meaning...
if they didn't get good compaction in that sandy soil prior to pouring the footers, what goes up will most certainly come down.

Sorry to contradict your thoughts for once Mr JR.
Believe it or not, I am an expert in bridges design all over the world . I have been designing bridges since 1971...
Sand is actually the best kind of soil as foundation for any kind of structure especially housing.
Providing sand is free from deleterious matter and is compacted to a minimum compaction of 7 blows to 1 foot when tested with a standard 20 pound penetrometer.
The worst possible soil to build upon is clay...
Expansion and contraction is totally opposite to that of steel and masonry ...
Thank you for listening !

I should have been more specific, and that's my bad, admittedly, I tend to generalize, and did not realize you were... what? A structural engineer with a sock puppet thingy going on?
Be that as it may, the soil I'm used to dealing with on the gulf coast, particularly when it comes to areas that require bridges, is sandy with clay varves...
at least, according to the soil borings pulled around the vast majority of areas where creeks, streams and rivers necessitate the need for ingress egress.
There is a loamy subsoil at play here as well, and it's generally poorly drained, the actual classification is Wabasso-Eaugallie-Felda.
The soil in Miami Dade County is radically different from that around the Tampa Bay area that I'm familiar with.
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_M...0/Dade.pdf
The classification is "Urban Land" That does not tell me much in terms of specifics.
I'd have to see the borings.
If calcs for the footers and pylons were off it's one thing, if it's bad rebar or shitty concrete, that's an entirely different matter.
I'd hate to be the fuckin' contractor on this nightmare.

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03-17-2018, 05:38 PM #25
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:10,602 Threads:242 Joined:Feb 2011
There's always somebody
trying to out think another
there's always a wedge driven
deep between sister and a brother

there's always some Grief
being laid on shoulders
of a Priest ,,,

there's always some hate
in every state of relief

and there's you
and then there's me

and now you can look away

but I'm still your brother
and that ain't ever gonna change

And so ,,
it's Bridges we built between
and as they collapse
we see a change in our dire machine ,,,

I can't understand
if you can't make sense

a Border around the land
and 4 story fence

but you want cheap labor
where does that come from ,,, ?

it's money you savor ,,
while you toss pennies
at your favorite Bum ,,,

So tell me ,, what the hell makes sense

You bomb Iraq and Afghanistan
without Justice in mind

destroy another Man's Land
The Preach your Freedom
at the same damned Time ,,,

I think it way past time to Reflect
are you the Good Guys ,,,

or a Freight Train headed for a Wreck ,,,,

You the Citizen concerned
about your Vote ,,,

while you fund death across a Globe
by Rote ,,,

oh yeah , you make perfect sense ,,,

now build your Bridges
and 4 story Fence ,,,,

You have a $1000 phone
but to a Hungry Child ,, you bomb
and won't even throw them a Bone ,,,

oh yeah ,,, you're making more sense
than I can Stand ,,,

Is it any wonder
why the people of the World
can't understand ,,,,

If your Souls aren't Dark by now ,,,

give you ten minutes ,,

you'll figure a way somehow ,,,

You wage War on Drugs Guns
and Poverty ,,,

while losing every time
cause your making money off them
like rented out Property ,,,,

Yeah Man , WTF !

Talk that Tripe
up and down your
Justice Halls

while you set a distance between
you with 4 story Walls ,,,,

~~~~~ Reflections read in the Stains of our Souls ~~~~~~~~~

ever look into your own Mind ?
give it a Try ~~~~~~~~


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03-17-2018, 05:49 PM #26
Accidental Stoner Member
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Umh....how about stopping/redirecting traffic until
the job is finished, including supportive cables and
vertical beam..?

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Pretty sure that is how it would've gotten done over
here, per über-obvious protocol.

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03-17-2018, 06:31 PM #27
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:30,350 Threads:1,497 Joined:Feb 2011
As to the specifics of what went on, it will take some time to pinpoint, a week or so with a competent civil engineering company.
I'm not too much into indulging in speculation as to the culprit, but most assuredly the cause behind the collapse will be brought to light.

wonder.gif

03-17-2018, 06:53 PM #28
Meh Member
Posts:1,161 Threads:46 Joined:Apr 2017
(03-17-2018, 03:53 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(03-17-2018, 08:28 AM)Catholic Wrote:  
(03-16-2018, 06:04 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Whoever put that fucker up is going' down, but its Florida...
Meaning...
if they didn't get good compaction in that sandy soil prior to pouring the footers, what goes up will most certainly come down.

Sorry to contradict your thoughts for once Mr JR.
Believe it or not, I am an expert in bridges design all over the world . I have been designing bridges since 1971...
Sand is actually the best kind of soil as foundation for any kind of structure especially housing.
Providing sand is free from deleterious matter and is compacted to a minimum compaction of 7 blows to 1 foot when tested with a standard 20 pound penetrometer.
The worst possible soil to build upon is clay...
Expansion and contraction is totally opposite to that of steel and masonry ...
Thank you for listening !

I should have been more specific, and that's my bad, admittedly, I tend to generalize, and did not realize you were... what? A structural engineer with a sock puppet thingy going on?
Be that as it may, the soil I'm used to dealing with on the gulf coast, particularly when it comes to areas that require bridges, is sandy with clay varves...
at least, according to the soil borings pulled around the vast majority of areas where creeks, streams and rivers necessitate the need for ingress egress.
There is a loamy subsoil at play here as well, and it's generally poorly drained, the actual classification is Wabasso-Eaugallie-Felda.
The soil in Miami Dade County is radically different from that around the Tampa Bay area that I'm familiar with.
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_M...0/Dade.pdf
The classification is "Urban Land" That does not tell me much in terms of specifics.
I'd have to see the borings.
If calcs for the footers and pylons were off it's one thing, if it's bad rebar or shitty concrete, that's an entirely different matter.
I'd hate to be the ğkkin' contractor on this nightmare.

I understood the sentence about the contractor. Speak English snapoutofit.gif
03-19-2018, 06:54 PM #29
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:15,873 Threads:483 Joined:Jun 2012
It makes me wonder about the quality/knowledge base of Engineers being given these builds. Are they experienced Engineers? Do they keep up with continuous learning? Are they fresh out of University; with honours? or did they pass in the 70 percentile as most do? Where are the safety protocols for testing? One Engineer noticed a crack, they had a meeting, and went ahead any way? wtf2.gif

This type of incident should never have happened. Terrible.
03-19-2018, 07:08 PM #30
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:10,602 Threads:242 Joined:Feb 2011
(03-17-2018, 05:38 PM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  There's always somebody
trying to out think another
there's always a wedge driven
deep between sister and a brother

there's always some Grief
being laid on shoulders
of a Priest ,,,

there's always some hate
in every state of relief

and there's you
and then there's me

and now you can look away

but I'm still your brother
and that ain't ever gonna change

And so ,,
it's Bridges we built between
and as they collapse
we see a change in our dire machine ,,,

I can't understand
if you can't make sense

a Border around the land
and 4 story fence

but you want cheap labor
where does that come from ,,, ?

it's money you savor ,,
while you toss pennies
at your favorite Bum ,,,

So tell me ,, what the hell makes sense

You bomb Iraq and Afghanistan
without Justice in mind

destroy another Man's Land
The Preach your Freedom
at the same damned Time ,,,

I think it way past time to Reflect
are you the Good Guys ,,,

or a Freight Train headed for a Wreck ,,,,

You the Citizen concerned
about your Vote ,,,

while you fund death across a Globe
by Rote ,,,

oh yeah , you make perfect sense ,,,

now build your Bridges
and 4 story Fence ,,,,

You have a $1000 phone
but to a Hungry Child ,, you bomb
and won't even throw them a Bone ,,,

oh yeah ,,, you're making more sense
than I can Stand ,,,

Is it any wonder
why the people of the World
can't understand ,,,,

If your Souls aren't Dark by now ,,,

give you ten minutes ,,

you'll figure a way somehow ,,,

You wage War on Drugs Guns
and Poverty ,,,

while losing every time  
cause your making money off them
like rented out Property ,,,,

Yeah Man , WTF !

Talk that Tripe
up and down your
Justice Halls

while you set a distance between
you with 4 story Walls ,,,,

~~~~~ Reflections read in the Stains of our Souls ~~~~~~~~~

ever look into your own Mind ?
give it a Try ~~~~~~~~



That's one Succinct song I wrote right there ,,

gonna publish that one today .

Record it , drive around in the Bus with it blasting out the Loud Speakers

see if Americans can be shamed .

I don't believe they can be shamed .

I don't see where they give a Fat Fekk in Hell about anything
but their Phones and Lattes .

gonna do it , I really am .



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